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That right there is what we need more of.
People not at all scared to stand up and put their two hands out and say CUFF ME. Especially people standing along side the fell officials that put this shit in place.
I talked to my close cop friend about the overlook for an exemption that law enforcement are not held to the 7 rounds loaded section. I said, so did you sell your M-16 clips out of state yet for the rifle in the trunk? Is your sidearm full or are a few missing now?
FUCK NO was all he had to say. For once the bandwagon for “well if he does it, I guess I will to” works in our favor. Not a single member of his department removed a round from any of their weapons.
:hug
In terms of the mental health laws in this bill, they made some very poor choices. First of all, requiring institutions to send information to the state is nothing new. Confiscating someones guns, or telling them they cant buy any simply by having gone to a hospital for help whether it be a non acute form of depression or anxiety or something less significant, is a huge deal.
Now instead of helping people you are hurting them. I know if I had anxiety issues or depression, I wouldnt seek help for fear of losing my guns, etc. So now, these people who need help will not be looking for it, and those non acute disorders can quickly manifest into major issues cause harm to thise individuals.
Most mental health organizations already have protocol in place, such as the one I work for. When a patient is discharged we call ahead to make sure no guns are in the home. If they are, we simply ask a relative to hold onto them until the patient is no longer sui or homocidal.
Its not 100% but its better than having the state take them indefinately and have them tell you in the future you cant buy one because of treatment you received for anxiety years prior.
Its sickening to me. Even the upper administrative group here at the hospital is upset about it. It wont hurt us here financially because we already have to turn away over 50% of our admission application due to having a stacked census. They are upset because of what it means to people that really do need help, and how many of those will now not search for it.
Thank you NYS for another quality decision.
what happens when a civilian does that I wonder…
Cliffs?
Besides the fact that there are several ignorant things in this bill, what pisses me off most is when I hear these ex-lawyers or whatever they are, who have never had to point a gun at someone, use a gun on someone, had training on how to use a gun on someone, or held a gun period, talk about what THEY think is a reasonable clip size for a gun. They have 0 basis to be making any decisions on what is reasonable for a guns clip size.
I saw a video with mclaughlin talking to that boob who was trying to defend the bill earlier, in which mclaughling said 7 rounds is not enough in a clip…and the boob said “then change the clip” sarcastically. Bull shit like that is whats wrong with the country. That fucker knows his idea is RIDICULOUS but he doesn’t give a fuck.
Long and short…if you’ve never even pointed a gun at someone, or trained to do so… shut your hole your opinion on what is an effective clip size, or what is or isnt a defense weapon means 0.
Jump off one?
Now that I’m back in the country, I got a lot of reading to do and will be posting here and there. Everyone just sit tight an go on with business as usual until the “waiting” period expires. There’s a LOT of lawyers, senators, police departments, the NRA, NYSRPA, etc… Working on getting this repealed. They need your support whether it be your words, your money, or your time.
From what I have read, there have been 127+ revisions to the bill because of how half-assed it was out together, so shit is changing every day. Also, this was put into the budget last minute. Chances are, most republican senators as well as democrat senators didn’t even get to read this all from the point it landed on their desks to the time the had to vote on it. It was all put in after all the details concerning the budget, so many senators didn’t even know the gun stuff was in there. Plus, they didn’t want the “voted no to passing a budget on time” hanging over their heads come reelection time, which only hurried them more.
I am very confident we will see this overturned, which will make our previous seem like a Godsend compared to what we could be dealing with.
Easy for one to speak and swallow when one’s ACTUAL business isn’t in jeopardy because of this.
Well of course there’s exceptions to everything.
Keep in mind your market will not exactly shrink from this situation. The maker size in NY will be almost the same as it is now (since our laws concerning ARs are pretty much spot on with California’s except for mag capacity), but it will not grow at the same rate as it would pre-BS laws. You will still have to market to other states (as you’d want to do anyways). You’ll face the biggest issue when/if the federal laws pass I think, using my current business and economics knowledge.
Market has actually expanded in what is likely record numbers since November, NY and nationally.
As far as building them, well worst comes to worst many will be converted to featureless by owners and many others will never care or register them.
Still plenty or bs though.
Chris I lost thousands in sales overnight, and that was just one of a multitude of products that are being deemed illegal, or applicable towards an illegal weapon. Marketing nationwide costs far more than I currently have to put into the business…
And before you get into the law talk, you should go re-read the section in regards to assault weapons now. Every little detail of it, because your statement on the AR doesn’t seem like you fully understand what’s in law right now. Magazine capacity is just a small part of this…
I’ve been reading the law all morning and have read all of the new definitions and unless you developed a new product since I left for vacation, the new law does not ban a product you have created. If you lost business, it would be to the customer’s ignorance of the law and their inability to understand it and not the law itself.
I have a very strong feeling this will be appealed within the year, and the people who put the bill together knew it wouldn’t pass on its own, hence why they bundled it in with the budget (kinda like they bundled micro stamping in with the cyber security bill they tried putting through earlier in the year). Same reason they didn’t have the required three day viewing period before going up for a vote.
This will be my last post about this, as you’re one of my best friends and I refuse to get in a heated debate over livelihoods and business.
Not sure what you were reading Cossey but this bill had absolutely nothing to do with the budget. That won’t even be released till Tuesday. Legislators knew exactly what this was and they knew exactly what was in it. Did they read it? Not likely, but then again they don’t read 98% of the 20,000 bills introduced every two years. They were however briefed on what exactly this bill did, so the “We didn’t have time to read it” excuse falls flat.
Sorry, I was wrong on that due to false info given to me.
But what IS 100% true is that Cuomo gave this bill a “message of necessity” so the mandatory waiting period was indeed waived. Many of the lawmakers only had a few hours to read it before voting on it.
Also, because the law was grouped in with some mental health reform and school safety reform (by adding more school security measures), that’s is why most voted to pass it. If you read Cuomo’s message, it does not mention at all that the definition of an assault weapon would be changed, it just mentions the banning of assault weapons (which were already banned) and the banning of “large capacity” ammunition feeding devices (which were also already banned).
Would you want to be labeled as one of the senators that voted “no” for adding aid to schools for security purposes after a mass shooting of 7 year olds? Me neither. More politicians would be worried about that more than being labeled as a guy who voted “yes” for stricter gun laws despite criticism from constituents rather than from the entire population.
Keeps Guns Out of Schools: Under the legislation, the penalty for possession of a firearm on school grounds or a school bus will be increased from a misdemeanor to a Class E Felony. The state’s SAVE Act (Safe Schools Against Violence in Education) requires school districts to develop school safety plans including evacuation, dismissal, community response, and alerting family, law enforcement and other schools in the area in the event of a violent incident or other emergency. The legislation will allow school districts to submit their school safety plans to a newly created New York State School Safety Improvement Team, consisting of representatives from state agencies with relevant expertise (e.g. DHSES, State Police, DCJS), which will review plans and assist localities in developing plans. Some designated safety system improvements will be eligible for enhanced re-imbursement under the state’s School Building Aid formula. New York City, Buffalo, Rochester, Yonkers and Syracuse will be exempted.
Source: http://www.governor.ny.gov/press/12162013cuomo-signs-safe-act-roch
i feel like if half the ex lawyers and big business owners that are now state senators, had ever fired a rifle, this law would never have passed. just my opinion.
Most of them prolly have or do. They think they are better than us, they think they should chose who had guns and who doesn’t.