Honda to Quit F1

Button will need to start looking for a new team :runaway

Honda were the lowest-placed of the points-scoring teams in 2008
Honda will quit Formula One on Friday, BBC Sport understands.
The Japanese company hopes to sell its team, which costs £200m a year to run, but is prepared to close the team early in 2009 if no buyer is found.
Sources told BBC Sport the team were “optimistic” they would continue, but no investor had yet been found.
However, according to the Reuters news agency, team bosses Ross Brawn and Nick Fry fear Honda could close the Brackley-based team within weeks.
According to a Reuters source, Brawn and Fry told a meeting of the Formula One Teams’ Association: “They have a month to find a buyer, otherwise they are closing the team.”

Honda appointed Brawn, the man who masterminded seven world titles for Michael Schumacher, as their team principal ahead of the 2008 season.
Britain’s Jenson Button, who drives for the Honda team, will be left unattached for the 2009 season if the team folds - though some places with mid-ranking teams remain.
Honda, who recently cut road vehicle production as a response to the global economic crisis, is expected to make an announcement regarding the team’s future at 0500 GMT on Friday.
A notoriously expensive sport in which to compete, teams have spent recent months in intensive discussions over cost-cutting measures.

I am told that for £1 you can now buy the Honda F1 team
Adam Parsons
BBC sports news correspondent
Max Mosley, president of world motorsport governing body the FIA, recently urged teams to find ways to reduce costs.
“Formula One is becoming unsustainable,” said Mosley in July.
“The major manufacturers are currently employing up to 1,000 people to put two cars on the grid. This is clearly unacceptable at a time when all these companies are facing tough market conditions.”
In October, a deal was reached to reduce costs for smaller teams in 2009 and 2010.
However, Honda are considered a major player within Formula One, bankrolling more than 800 staff at the team’s Northamptonshire base with the largest budget in the sport.
“I am told that for £1 you can now buy the Honda F1 team,” said BBC sports news correspondent Adam Parsons.
BBC Radio 5 Live’s F1 commentator, David Croft, said Honda’s withdrawal would have profound implications for the sport as a whole.

HONDA IN F1

Honda team created in 2006 after BAR team was taken over
Finished fourth in 2006 constructors’ championship with 86 points, but struggled to eighth in 2007 (six points) and ninth in 2008 (14 points)
Team costs Honda £200m annually with more than 800 staff at Brackley
Honda runs F1 cars with minimal advertising, meaning more funding has to come from Japanese parent company
British driver Jenson Button (above) would lose his place in the sport if the team were to fold
“This has serious implications for F1, not just because there will be only 18 cars on the grid,” said Croft.
"It’s the start of the sport as a whole feeling the pinch. Williams are reported to be in financial difficulties, Toyota are trimming down their budget as well.
“Honda are a car company whose sales have dropped by 41% in the last quarter, they’re closing their Swindon factory for two months at the start of next year, and obviously feeling the pinch on a global scale.”
In November, Honda announced it would build fewer cars in Japan, Europe and the United States to reflect bleak economic prospects in the vehicle manufacturing industry.
It was reported on Thursday that sales of new cars in the UK suffered their biggest monthly drop in 28 years, while carmakers Ford, GM and Chrysler have asked the US Congress for multi-billion dollar loans to guarantee their survival.
The last team to leave Formula One were Honda-backed minnows Super Aguri, who folded for financial reasons in April.
Honda’s own F1 team endured a deeply disappointing 2008 season on the track, earning just 14 points, leaving them the lowest of the nine points-scoring teams.
Button found himself ranked 18th in the drivers’ list, contributing only three points.
Only four drivers, each without a point to their name, ranked below him. Team-mate Rubens Barrichello earned the remaining 11 points.
Honda initially entered F1 as a constructor in the 1960s, withdrawing at the end of 1968.

Terribly sad for all concerned. Hopefully some sort of independent team can rise from the ashes
GordonMurray
The company returned to F1 in the 1980s as an engine supplier, then purchased a stake in the BAR team from British American Tobacco in 2004.
Honda bought out British American Tobacco in 2005 to form the Honda team for the 2006 season.
While the team finished fourth in the 2006 constructors’ championship, they have since struggled to make an impact.
The 2009 Formula One season begins on 29 March, in Australia.

Discuss

Never seen this coming.

What now?

Honda wants to sell Honda F1, they arent dismantling the team.

Why they’d want to do it when KERS becomes mandatory next year is beyond me.

BTW, totally wrong forum to post this on. No one here gives a damn about anything outside of Pinks and the NFL. :rofl

Whoa, didn’t know we had such a large f1 fanbase here.
Thought it was just Jessa and I.

:wave me 2.

Yeah 98% of the active members here only care about going fast in a straight line. :idiots

But still, if they sell the team they won’t have the same major corporate backing($$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$).

Yeah I have no idea why they would do this since they were one of the first teams to test the new brake system. KERS is an awesome system!

I don’t know who would buy it but they are far from the quickest team.
Even with Honda’s large budget they couldn’t get up to the top teams, whoever buys it is going to be around force india territory.
KERS I think is a step but it won’t make much of a difference atm. From what I have been reading in Racecar engineering it wont have a very dramatic effect on racing or passing.
Last I heard bmw was going to do some real world testing on a track with the new aero and slicks to see if there will actually be an improvement in passing.
I also hate bernie and max(medals WTF???)

i actually enjoy F1 very much

Yeah Honda is not too hot atm.
I think McClaren will be a contender next year.
Ferrari needs to stay clean. Actually all the teams need to play fair.

Lew are you talking about Bernie E’s car with the huge fan on the back of it? :rofl
That’s like what Chapperral did with the 2J!
That is NOT fair.

:rofl

Bernie Eccelstone or however you spell it.
Him and Max are slowly killing f1.

not enough passing in F1 to really hold my interest… but i will say last season with the loss of traction control led to some great racing and enough action during the race to keep watching

if they had more passing the sport would deff hold a wider range of poeple’s interest

now to meet in the middle V8 super cars Australia is bad ass no matter what

more source: http://www.itv-f1.com/Feature.aspx?Type=James_Allen&id=44706

I followed F1, WRC religiously. :ninja

Poor overall performance (they are barely better than FI FFS) and in this poor economy with all sponsors cutting back. It is better to fold the operation or sell it and stop the bleeding.

i care… why? Cause its the first negative story ever written about anything with the name Honda in it.

New aero rules will have the biggest effect on passing. Yes the new cars are ugly.

If you dont watch the entire season, I understand how there might not be enough to hold your interest.

But if you follow it closely, there’s a lot going on. There’s a reason is the biggest sport in the world.

You dont count race results as a story? ;D

I was thinking about setting up some podcast in the garage to capture F1 while I’m working.

F1 needs to bring the v10’s back, fawk the 8’s. I don’t care if the motors cost a bazzillion each I want MOAR of that sound from not long ago!

pwnt :lol

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BMW, Mercedes sales plunge, Honda quits Formula One
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By Michael Shields and Alastair Himmer

FRANKFURT/TOKYO (Reuters) - Global sales at the world’s top premium carmakers, BMW and Mercedes, plunged by a quarter in November and Honda backed out of Formula One racing as the economic downturn exacted a mounting toll on automakers.

With even well-heeled consumers keeping a tight grip on their wallets, group vehicle sales at BMW fell 25.4 percent to 96,570 units, led down by a 26.2 percent drop at the flagship BMW brand, it said on Friday.

Daimler’s Mercedes-Benz Cars premium division saw unit sales drop 25.2 percent to 84,500 vehicles. Unit sales at its core Mercedes-Benz brand fell 27.6 percent to 74,400 units.

Car sales across the globe have plummeted as consumers curb spending in the face of mass lay-offs and a credit crunch, pushing big U.S. carmakers to the brink and heaping pressure on their foreign rivals, too.

In Germany, Europe’s biggest auto market, new car sales are expected to hit post-reunification lows this year and next before recovering somewhat in 2010, the VDA auto industry association forecast this week.

In Japan, Honda Motor Co delivered a major blow to Formula One by withdrawing from the sport with immediate effect.

Japan’s number two carmaker is seeking to cut costs to combat the global economic crisis and concluded it would no longer bankroll the Formula One team and its estimated annual budget of $500 million.

Honda Chief Executive Takeo Fukui told a news conference a return to the sport could take time, and that there were no plans to continue as an engine supplier.

“This difficult decision was taken recently and was made in light of the quickly deteriorating operating environment facing the global auto industry,” Fukui told reporters.

“Honda must protect its core business activities and secure the long term as widespread uncertainties in the economics around the globe continue to mount.”

DOMINOS FALLING?

Honda could trigger a domino effect of manufacturers toppling out of Formula One unless costs fall dramatically, International Automobile Federation (FIA) President Max Mosley said.

“I have to say it was not entirely unexpected,” the Briton told reporters after Honda’s news.

"I’ve been expecting one of the major manufacturers to stop for some time, because even before the current situation the costs were completely out of control.

“And now I think it’s difficult to imagine how any manufacturer could stay in unless we make really substantial reductions in cost,” he added in a conference call.

Toyota, BMW, Mercedes, Renault and Fiat each burn through $200 million a year competing in Formula One.

BMW shares fell 2.6 percent and Daimler’s had retreated 4.2 percent in Frankfurt by 1419 GMT, while the DJ Stoxx autos index

was down 2.9 percent. Honda shed 1.9 percent in Tokyo.

Detroit remains the epicenter of the consumer earthquake shaking the automotive world.

The chief executives of General Motors Corp and Chrysler LLC told the U.S. Congress on Thursday they would consider restarting merger talks if needed to win their slice of up to $34 billion in emergency U.S. government aid.

“I would be very willing to look at it seriously,” GM CEO Rick Wagoner told the Senate Banking Committee, adding that merger talks earlier this year were dropped on concerns GM did not have the financing to merge with Chrysler.

Chrysler CEO Robert Nardelli said his job would likely be the first to go in a merger with GM, but if that would save Chrysler and its workers, “I would do it.”

The chiefs of the Big Three automakers, including Ford Motor Co CEO Alan Mulally, pledged to refocus on higher fuel efficiency vehicles and lower production costs.

But they encountered deep skepticism among lawmakers suspicious of such promises, given the companies’ past failures to wean themselves from gasoline guzzlers and to make innovative cars that consumers want to buy.

“I don’t trust the car companies’ leadership,” said New York Democratic Sen. Charles Schumer at the hearing. But in a comment reflecting many lawmakers’ sentiments, he added, “We can’t let the industry fail.”

Even mighty Toyota Motor Corp has been humbled by the global market turmoil. It cut the ribbon on a new $860 million SUV plant in Canada on Thursday, but has already had to scale back production plans for the factory.

(Additional reporting by Alan Baldwin in London and by John Crawley and Kevin Drawbaugh in Washington, editing by Will Waterman)

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Honda leaving F1 sucks…but they will be back…after all this isn’t there first time leaving the F1 circuit…In 1993 they backed out and came back in 2000. Just a matter of time that’s all.

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source: F1 - The Official Home of Formula 1® Racing

Fry confident of finding buyer for Honda

Honda Racing CEO Nick Fry is optimistic that a new owner will be found for the team following Friday’s announcement that parent company Honda are withdrawing from Formula One racing.

The Japanese car giant has put the team up for sale and Fry and other senior management are now in a race against time to find a buyer ahead of the 2009 season. However, he says they have already received several serious enquiries.

“In the last 12 hours we’ve had three serious people come and suggest they’d like to buy the team,” Fry told British broadcasters, the BBC. “We’re one of the best-funded teams and have the best assets and resources in the pit lane - we’ll be quite a desirable asset for somebody.”

Honda have experienced only limited success in recent years, finishing a lowly ninth in the 2008 constructors’ championship, but any potential buyer would inherit a car developed under the leadership of team principal Ross Brawn, who joined the UK-based team at the end of 2007.

In his previous role as Ferrari technical director Brawn was key to five Michael Schumacher championships and Fry believes the 2009 Honda - the first designed entirely under Brawn’s watch - should make the team an attractive proposition.

"We’re very hopeful, as are most commentators, that we’ll take a big step up,” he added. “It’s a big opportunity for somebody.”

Fry also confirmed that Jenson Button has a 2009 contract with the team, while their second race seat - filled by Rubens Barrichello this season - remains undecided.