I buy American cars because 'Murica'

[LZ1]

If the BRZ came with better tires/brakes/and a base WRX engine it would be an amazing value for the money.

I assume all those upgrades would stick in the 33-35k range

The way its currently designed its slow and unimpressive

Just because something weighs less then big slow dumb domestics doesn’t automatically make it magical and better :lol:

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@yamba6

Actually this was created to show that toyotas and hondas are more american made than GM, then it turned around into power and engines and etc by others. I just went along with it.

And we already determined the F150 is the MOST American made car and the highest selling vehicle in America.

[yamba6]

@LZ

If the BRZ came with better tires/brakes/and a base WRX engine it would be an amazing value for the money.

I assume all those upgrades would stick in the 33-35k range

The way its currently designed its slow and unimpressive

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And we already determined the F150 is the MOST American made car and the highest selling vehicle in America.

LOL, well if you want to do your dick measuring like you do on all posts. It’s actually the most american made PICKUP truck. What else is on the list that your average joe drives around? lol

[LZ1]

@yamba6

LOL, well if you want to do your dick measuring like you do on all posts. It’s actually the most american made PICKUP truck. What else is on the list that your average joe drives around? lol

No its the #1 selling vehicle in AMERICA

It’s not out sold by any other car or truck

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Ford F-150 pickup tops list for ‘American-made’

Ford F-150 pickup tops list for 'American-made'

Ford F-150 Pickup Is Most ‘American-Made’ Car

http://www.foxbusiness.com/industries/2014/07/01/ford-f-150-pickup-is-most-american-made-car/

Why the Ford F-150 Is America’s Most American Vehicle

Why the Ford F-150 Is America's Most American Vehicle | The Motley Fool

Ford F-150 Is ‘Most American Made’ Two Years in a Row
http://news.pickuptrucks.com/2014/06/ford-f-150-is-most-american-made-two-years-in-a-row.html

[fairgentleman_Z]

I use to be import biased. But as long as it has a gas pedal, brake pedal, and steering wheel, and all three of those function with some sort of repeatability; give me the keys and I’ll drive it to the ragged edge. Saying a 3800lb car isn’t fun to drive at the limit is as ignorant as saying a 15 sec car isn’t fun to drive at the limit.

BRZ vs. 1LE:
Which is faster? 1LE
Which one would I drive on a roadcourse? 8 times out of 10 the 1LE, the other 2 times anything is a BLAST to drive at the limit.
Which one would I spend $34k on? The BRZ/FRS

@yamba6

Take the extra $9k and let see how much power we can put to the FRS.

And no. Take the $9k, , $1200 on 6 sets of brake pads, $1860 on 3 sets of 225 Direzza’s, and the remaining $5940 should get you through 18 track days.

Now, which is the better ownership experience, having a 1LE and talking about roadcourses, or the BRZ/FRS and actually doing track days?

[yamba6]

@fairgentleman Z

I use to be import biased. But as long as it has a gas pedal, brake pedal, and steering wheel, and all three of those function with some sort of repeatability; give me the keys and I’ll drive it to the ragged edge. Saying a 3800lb car isn’t fun to drive at the limit is as ignorant as saying a 15 sec car isn’t fun to drive at the limit.

BRZ vs. 1LE:
Which is faster? 1LE
Which one would I drive on a roadcourse? 8 times out of 10 the 1LE, the other 2 times anything is a BLAST to drive at the limit.
Which one would I spend $34k on? The BRZ/FRS

And no. Take the $9k, , $1200 on 6 sets of brake pads, $1860 on 3 sets of 225 Direzza’s, and the remaining $5940 should get you through 18 track days.

Now, which is the better ownership experience, having a 1LE and talking about roadcourses, or the BRZ/FRS and actually doing track days?

I still dont see how there is much hate on the brakes. From my knowledge they came with bigger brakes/the wrx brake system on a smaller lighter car. I really believe the stopping problem is the tires and lack of traction. Maybe I’m wrong.

[fairgentleman_Z]

@yamba6

I still dont see how there is much hate on the brakes. From my knowledge they came with bigger brakes/the wrx brake system on a smaller lighter car. I really believe the stopping problem is the tires and lack of traction. Maybe I’m wrong.

It is a conservative guesstimate based on a rare thing called experience. Race pad compounds usually last 3 track days, if driven proper amount of aggression. They last a little longer in endurance racing because the are up to temp for most of the duration. Maybe they will last 4-5 days at Nelson, maybe they will last 2 days at Gingerman. Maybe the FRS/BRZ is super, super easy on brakes and 4 sets will be enough.

In any case save a few hundred on brake pads and spend it on head gaskets.

[Minglor]

This is the only way to buy a vehicle.

Does it have pushrods?

Also,
The internet tells me that the 5mt legacy gt weighs 3435.
But until I see it on scales I don’t believe what people claim for weights.

[focusinprogress]

@yamba6

Honest… I really was excited to hear about the Mustang 2.3l turbo but wish the weight would come down. I would love the focus if we could get the euro one with the AWD. I was really excited to hear about GM trying to compete against the BRZ/FRS but I haven’t heard much more about the cars. I believe it was the Code 130r. The Camaros are nice, they are doing a good job with them and definitely have a good look, I just dont need that big of a car when dealing with a sports style vehicle. And like stated, I love the new vette… my only beef is the rear bumper and how high they brought that black plastic up. It needs less of that and more of the painted bumper.

the focus never has, and never will be AWD. ford engineers have explored/tested it vs. a properly sorted FWD system and the FWD system with torque vectoring tech and revo-knuckle suspension performed better than an AWD variant in track testing. I can only hope the 2.3l ecoboost paves the way for a focus model ABOVE the ST…rumor has it an RS happens to be in the works.

[joelster]

@yamba6

So you are comparing a $25k car to a $34k car. Take the extra $9k and let see how much power we can put to the FRS. They didn’t produce the FRS/BRZ to have power out of the factory, they made it as a car for people to do what they want to them starting at a low price for a sports car. Intake, Exhaust, tune… without a turbo and you already have about 250hp. Put a turbo on the car and return for another $4k, the car will probably produce 400hp. 400hp in a car that weight under 2800lbs sounds pretty enjoyable when comparing the money spent for the camaro and being able to build your own frs. Power to weight at this point, the FRS should have no problem.

Sorry I guess all the muscle guys came into the convo.

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I would love to see you drive your vette the same way I drive my honda and end up with 26/27mpg. lol

Gee, that’s a great idea. Let’s sell an incomplete car for $25k, so that the enthusiasts will have coin left over to mod it how they want. We’ll sell boatloads of them!!!

Oops!

I guess people have no problem dropping $5k-$10k more and get the better car to begin with.

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Funny thing is that a base Camaro or Mustang can be had for around $22k-$23k and still runs low 14’s and can pull near 30mpg.

[GV1390]

Fiat 500 over a Corvette? wtf lol.

[LZ1]

Because a Fiat 500 is 16k and a Corvette is 55k

[boxxa]

@fairgentleman Z

Car sized from girly to manly. Notice the American car is the only one sized manly. How are you suppose to feel secure with yourself with those smaller cars?

I love my small car.

Also there is a fucking beetle on that list, it no longer is valid.

[fairgentleman_Z]

Numbers by actual participation (I had to do a quick ctrl+f and hand count so I may have missed or added 1 or 2):

2013 results:
Mustang (2010 and newer) : 20
BRZ : 15
FR-S (and FRS) : 15
370Z : 13
Camaro (2010 and newer) : 0

http://scca.cdn.racersites.com/prod/assets/2013%20Solo%20Results%20FINAL1.pdf

[boxxa]

1 series right behind the vette. Nice.

[joelster]

@LZ

Because a Fiat 500 is 16k and a Corvette is 55k

Corvette production wasn’t up to full speed. You were lucky to find one at your local dealer. Even now they are tough to find.

[BOBBYGRV]

That’s a true statement ^^^ My sister in law’s father owns a Chevy dealership and said he had people offering to pay more than MSRP to get certain Corvettes because they were so tough to find.

[deebo]

A BRZ is the same cost as a camaro. I would def take the camaro
With the BRZ you are paying A LOT for nothing. I’m sure for the most part they are bought by Subaru loyals

[BOBBYGRV]

I’d be willing to bet that the resale on your Camaro will be better too…

[joelster]

@BOBBYGRV

I’d be willing to bet that the resale on your Camaro will be better too…

When I went looking for a new SS I started looking at used ones from 2010-2012. I couldn’t find one under $28k. Even now, they are tough to find around $26-$27k. Not bad for buying a 2010 brand new for $35k, driving it for 4 years and trading it in, and have the dealer give you $25k for it.