Illegal immigrants want drivers licenses

To me this sounds absolutely insane.

inb4ThanksObama

http://www.wcax.com/story/21639099/will-illegal-workers-be-allowed-vt-drivers-licenses

MONTPELIER, Vt. -
They say after years of living in the shadows of Vermont’s Green Mountains, it’s time for the state to give them more privileges.

“We feel abandoned; we feel far from society,” said Danilo Lopez, a migrant farmworker.

Dozens of farmworkers packed a Vermont Senate Transportation Committee hearing Thursday, as it wrangles over the idea to allow illegal migrant farmworkers to get Vermont driver’s licenses. The farmworkers claim they often have to pay for rides to get necessities, visit family or even go to a doctor’s appointment.

“Many times a simple illness can become more serious,” Lopez said.

“I find it totally unacceptable in today’s society that there are people that are treating people basically like slaves,” said Sen. John Campbell, D-Vt. President Pro Tem.

There are an estimated 1,500 illegal migrant workers in the state. The bill would also allow other illegal immigrants to obtain driver’s licenses. The commissioner of the Vermont Department of Motor Vehicles, Rob Ide, made it clear applicants would have to go through the exact same testing program as Vermonters do.

“Highway safety is very important to us, and we want to make sure there is no misperception that we would do anything to impact that highway safety,” Ide said.

Vermont Public Safety Commissioner Keith Flynn also supports the program, saying it would put more IDs in the hands of undocumented immigrants.

“We will be diligent to make sure there is validity to the documents, so we are issuing the license to the person we believe we are issuing it to,” Flynn said.

Sen. Dick Mazza, the chair of the Transportation Committee, says it is still too early to say whether or not this controversial bill will move forward this year.

“Driver’s licenses are not going to solve the whole problem,” Mazza said.

Big questions still left unanswered include whether the licenses should look different, and whether they will they have restrictions. The licenses though would not be considered valid federal IDs.

“Drafting a bill like this is very important. We don’t want to do it unless we have all the facts and information properly documented,” said Mazza, D-Grand Isle County.

Migrant farmworkers feel after years of lobbying to be allowed to drive, this may finally be the year that the bill moves into the fast lane.

“Please help us pass a law that we can make a better Vermont for everybody,” Lopez said.

Migrant farmworkers hoping their decades of hard work on the farm to give Vermont its identity will give them a new privilege.

Illinois, Washington and New Mexico have laws allowing undocumented workers to get licenses.

Thanks obama.

Give these guys drivers lisences so they can go to the doctor. We will pay for their visit…

Giving anything to anyone here illegally is plain fucking retarded.

Drivers license for an illegal alein with no insurance and an unregistered car? Fuck yea. 'Mercia.

THIS.

Ah History, what would it be if it didn’t repeat itself.

However, the door was left open for Mexicans (who even then were desired by employers for their cheap labor) and northern Europeans. As history would show, this legal immigration led to illegal immigration and foreshadowed today’s debate on these topics. During the 1920s illegal immigration was the subject of heated Congressional debates. Edward H. Dowell, vice-president of the California Federation of Labor, testified before the U.S. Senate Committee on Immigration in February of 1928 about the burden of the unrestricted flow of Mexicans on the state’s taxpayers, prisons, hospitals and American workers’ wages. He estimated that while 67,000 Mexicans entered the U.S. legally the prior year, many times that number entered illegally.

Furthermore, a Los Angeles Times story from April 1926 noted that many of the ranch workers in California’s Imperial Valley entered the U.S. illegally without passing the (then) literacy test and did not pay the $18 entrance fee. In February of 1929, the U.S. House Immigration Committee heard testimony from government officials about problems at the border with both Canada and Mexico, including steps that were taken to eliminate the “visa mill” at Juarez (opposite El Paso), where were found “the most lax conditions imaginable in connection with inspection of persons wishing to enter the United States.” Visas were required for legal residency.

This repatriation began during President Herbert Hoover’s administration and reached its peak in the early 1930s. It also applied to all alien groups, not just Mexicans. Hoover believed they were taking jobs from Americans, and endorsed a vigorous effort to reduce legal and illegal entries and expel “undesirable aliens.” Deportations and repatriations of Mexicans and others decreased (along with legal immigration) during President Franklin Roosevelt’s administration, during the Great Depression, but did not end. In July 1935, for example, Roosevelt ordered a large deportation of alien criminals (such as mail robbers), but exempted Mexican and Canadian criminals due to the fear that they would sneak back in.

Over the next two decades about 4.8 million Mexican workers came into the country and provided cheap labor to many U.S. employers. Although braceros were supposed to be hired only if an adequate number of Americans could not be found, employers preferred the foreign workers who were willing to work for lesser wages. The program finally ended in 1964 due to complaints from unions and Mexican-Americans that these foreigners were taking jobs from them. Not surprisingly, many of the former braceros reentered and worked in the U.S. illegally – many for the same employers. Illegal immigration increased greatly during the years of the supposed “temporary work” Bracero Program. The Los Angeles Times reported in May 1950 that 21,000 Mexican nationals had “flooded across Mexican border into the United States during April” and complained about the overworked, understaffed border patrolmen and the “the endless wave of line jumpers, unprecedented in the nation’s history.” The argument about jobs “Americans won’t do” was recited by an employer, while the authorities stressed the need to enforce the law.

During President Dwight D. Eisenhower’s first term, it was estimated that illegal Mexican border crossings had grown to about 1 million. Such a massive illegal workforce had a devastating impact on the wages of American workers. Eisenhower, concerned about corruption that resulted from the profits of illegal labor, took decisive action. In 1954 he appointed General Joseph Swing to head the Immigration and Naturalization Service. Shortly thereafter, “Operation *******” was launched. With only 1,075 Border Patrol agents, tens of thousands of illegal aliens were caught and sent back deep into Mexico. Hundreds of thousands more returned to their homeland voluntarily. Illegal immigration had dropped 95% by the end of the 1950s.

But it was not to last, as seen in prior decades, after the 1965 Immigration Act passed, while legal immigration increased sharply, illegal immigration rose right along with it. As the Center for Immigration Studies noted, this increased immigration in part because Congress “shifted the legal preference system to family relations and away from employment needs and immigrant ability.” Senator Edward Kennedy said at the time: “The bill will not flood our cities with immigrants. It will not upset the ethnic mix of our society.” However, this bill spurred “chain migration” which fueled illegal immigration, along with a sense of entitlement amongst illegal immigrants. In subsequent decades, Mexico has become the primary source country of both legal and illegal immigration.

Many illegal aliens also use the lure of “birthright citizenship,” (a/k/a “anchor babies”) to circumvent U.S. immigration laws and gain permanent residency, if not citizenship. This is a misinterpretation of the 14th Amendment to the Constitution that grants U.S. citizenship on those born on American soil, including children of illegal aliens. Illegal immigrants know that the odds are low that U.S. immigration authorities will deport them, if they have a child who is an American citizen (and who as a bonus also qualifies for taxpayer-funded benefits).

Since the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1965, Congress has passed seven amnesties:

  1. Immigration and Reform Control Act (IRCA), 1986: A blanket amnesty for over 2.7 million illegal aliens
  1. Section 245(i) Amnesty, 1994: A temporary rolling amnesty for 578,000 illegal aliens
  1. Section 245(i) Extension Amnesty, 1997: An extension of the rolling amnesty created in 1994
  1. Nicaraguan Adjustment and Central American Relief Act (NACARA) Amnesty, 1997: An amnesty for close to one million illegal aliens from Central America
  1. Haitian Refugee Immigration Fairness Act Amnesty (HRIFA), 1998: An amnesty for 125,000 illegal aliens from Haiti
  1. Late Amnesty, 2000: An amnesty for some illegal aliens who claim they should have been amnestied under the 1986 IRCA amnesty, an estimated 400,000 illegal aliens
  1. LIFE Act Amnesty, 2000: A reinstatement of the rolling Section 245(i) amnesty, an estimated 900,000 illegal aliens

The largest of these amnesties was the 1986 Immigration Reform and Control Act (IRCA) which amnestied about 3 million illegal aliens. This law was supposed to be a compromise – an attempt to finally limit illegal immigration through strengthened border security and increased immigration enforcement against employers – combined with amnesty for the millions of illegal workers in the United States. Illegal immigrants who had resided in the U.S. for five years and met other conditions received temporary legal status, which could be later upgraded to citizenship.

President Ronald Reagan approved this “path to citizenship” amnesty due to what was believed to be a relatively small illegal immigrant population. Unlike many current politicians and amnesty proponents, Reagan called this what it was: amnesty. Unfortunately, there was widespread document fraud and the number of illegal aliens seeking amnesty far exceeded expectations. Most importantly, there was no political will to enforce the law against employers. The 1986 IRCA amnesty failed and actually led to millions of more people entering the United States illegally.

While President Bill Clinton made some efforts to combat illegal immigration during the 1990s, the problem remained. In 1996 the Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act of 1996 was passed. Still, leaders from Central American and Caribbean nations relied heavily on untaxed remittances sent back to their countries from the United States, and worried that Clinton would support mass deportations. While at least paying lip service to enforcement of laws, Clinton assured these leaders that there would be no mass deportations. There were about 7 million illegal aliens residing in the U.S. when he left office.

The eight years of President George W. Bush’s administration saw a marked increase in illegal immigration and a drop in immigration enforcement throughout much of his tenure. For example, the number of illegal aliens arrested in workplace cases fell from nearly 3,000 in 1999 to 445 in 2003, with the number of criminal cases against employers during this period falling from 182 to four. Not surprisingly, by 2005, there were an estimated 10-20 million illegal aliens living in the United States. Even at the end of 2007 after the Bush administration’s enforcement crackdown had been underway; only 92 criminal arrests of employers had taken place, in an economy that, according to the Washington Post, includes 6 million businesses that employ more than 7 million illegal foreign workers.

Despite the failure of past amnesties and the fact that these increase illegal immigration, Bush repeatedly pushed mass legalization (amnesty) schemes for illegal immigrants using the well-worn line that they “are doing jobs Americans will not” or “are not” doing. One scheme was the Comprehensive Immigration Reform Act 2007 which was defeated by widespread popular opposition.

Today, over 1 million immigrants enter our country legally per year, while the illegal alien population grows by about 500,000 per year. Most of those who violate our borders and enter illegally come from Mexico and other Latin American countries. Only about 6 percent of the illegals come from Canada and Europe. Close to half of all illegal immigrants now residing in the U.S. did not enter illegally but rather overstayed their visas. Just as the federal government has historically failed to secure its borders, it has concurrently failed to closely monitor visa holders.

About 12-20 million illegal aliens currently reside in the United States. California has more illegals than any other state, at about 2.4 million. Others states with high illegal alien populations include Texas, Florida and New York, although many states are now impacted.

Americans of all backgrounds are still seriously concerned about the negative impact of illegal immigration, such as with the number of bankrupted hospitals, overcrowded schools, and increased crime. Taxpayers pay dearly for this, illustrating the high cost of so-called “cheap labor” for some unscrupulous employers and their political allies who for decades have watered down immigration laws. For example, in California alone, as of 2004 the net cost of illegal immigration to taxpayers is estimated to be nearly $9 billion annually.

Despite Americans’ opposition to illegal immigration and amnesty, open border advocates are pressuring President Barack Obama to pass yet another mass amnesty for illegal aliens. These special interests and their allies in the mainstream media continually attempt to re frame the debate away from the core issues (e.g., illegality, sovereignty, overpopulation, fiscal costs), and redefine the terms used in the debate. The most common euphemisms for amnesty used by the open-border lobby are: “comprehensive immigration reform,” “pathway to citizenship,” “earned legalization,” “guest” or “temporary worker plan,” and bringing “undocumented immigrants” “out of the shadows.” Citizens concerned about illegal immigration should also be aware that pro-illegal alien advocates often offer the false choice between either mass deportation or mass amnesty. They say that since we can’t “round up and deport 12 million people” we have to provide them with a “pathway to citizenship” (i.e. amnesty).

However, there is a common sense, humane and cost-effective way to solve the problem of illegal immigration, without resorting to either mass deportation or amnesty. This is called “attrition through enforcement” wherein if our existing immigration laws are consistently enforced and jobs cut off, the number of illegal aliens will return to their home countries over time. This middle-ground strategy is endorsed by real immigration reform groups such as ALIPAC and NumbersUSA.

You want illegal immigration to stop? MAKE LAW BREAKING BUSINESSES TO STOP HIRING THEM. PERIOD. END OF STORY. No jobs for illegals? No immigration.

For the TL;DR see BOLD

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They should just get a bike. I read on certain forum that many riders never bothered to get a license and just ride with a learner…:rofl

Lots of USA citizens drive/ride with no license and no insurance all the time, how about making laws to help those people first??..:crackup

vlad, stop ruining posts with long ass explanative bullshit… this thread was good till you got in it and posted some shit off of wikipedia… Anyone can do the same, its not necessary.

Every time I go through Whitehall they all have their bicycles they ride to the Family Dollar. Or they walk. They all stay in one of two old houses on Route 4 too. /PJB.

But seriously. They do.

I hear you on the motorcycle permits licenses too, way too many peeps out there without them and still riding. One fuck up and it could get shitty.

“Vlad stop bringing factual historical information into a thread that’s supposed to make me have a quick emotional response”

FIFY

Just so you know, Historical information exists in other places other than Wikipedia…

send them back
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lol

Id like my tuition assistance back please.

wont work, most illegals that work in the us don’t work for legal businesses.

once again criminals don’t follow laws.

Can’t tell if you’re being sarcastic so I’ll bite.

So all the sting operations in California and Texas and New Mexico where hordes of illegals work and were asked for no information at the time of hiring that proof citizenship were what? Fake?

Where do all the 10+ million illegals work then? That must be some huge illegal act going on doing illegal things, because I know they don’t work construction jobs, field jobs, fast food jobs or any of the other jobs where it’s generally regarded as aliens can easily get a job that require no speaking skills and basic manual labor.

And for the sake of argument enjoy the read

:rofl

Propaganda from a news source that supports immigrants. I can dig up a few that say otherwise.

There are MANY farms here and everywhere that use illegal aliens for workers and many get fined or caught. Go to Adirondack Stone off Route 4 in Fort Ann and see how many are legal.

Estimated 2000 work in Vermont farms alone: http://www.burlingtonfreepress.com/article/20091120/NEWS02/91120003/Feds-hit-farms-looking-illegal-immigrants?nclick_check=1

So you’re implying that those farms are illegal businesses? Not sure what you’re getting at.

Don’t want illegals, stop employing them.

Feel free to bring up other news sources to discussion.

If you’re illegally employing workers then your business isn’t 100% legal. Pay someone under the table; illegal. Doesn’t take much. It doesn’t have to be a super secretive underground coke operation to be “illegal”.