Intercooler Tech - Tube and Fin vs. Bar and Plate

Since the IC sizing thread turned into this discussion. I’ll give it a full writeup.

Tube and Fin - Pros
Generally weighs about half as much as a bar and plate core of similar dimensions
Generally less expensive
Generally less flow restriction within the core than bar and plate designs
Less flow restriction through the exterior allowing better flow to the rear of the core and to a radiator, AC condenser, tranny or oil cooler, etc. which may be behind it

Cons -
Those with less flow restriction than bar and plate cores offer less heat rejection
Generally have more fins which means they’re more likely to be damaged by rocks/debris which cuts down on cooling efficiency
Charge air entry extends beyond core wall making it more difficult for air to enter the core cleanly

Bar and Plate - Pros
Generally off greater heat rejection than tube and fin design
Those with turbulators offer even greater heat rejection
Offered in tons of varying shapes and sizes
Less likely to be damaged by rocks and debris
Charge air entry sits flush with core allowing for cleaner entry

Cons -
Weighs about twice as much as a similarly size tube and fin core
More expensive
Blocks more airflow to radiators, etc. which may be behind it
Those with turbulators have greater flow resistance to the charge air

Remember that there’s a balancing act between cooling and airflow restriction within the core. The more densely packed turbulators are within a bar and plate core the more cooling will be done as the air passes through, but the greater flow is restricted. Alternatively, air blowing straight through a pipe isn’t restricted or cooled much at all. {thumbup}

As Zerodaze pointed out in the other thread, there are many crappy bar and plate design cores for sale on ebay. In the product images they show the cores and you can see right down them because there are no turbulators present. Without these all you have is a heavy core with poor cooling. Flow might be great, but most straight pipes do flow pretty well.

In terms of the core itself, some bar and plate cores use radiused ends (not end tanks) to promote flow. I made a quick drawing to illustrate this. You can see how the airflow will enter the core more readily when the ends are radiused rather than flat. It’s less likely to collide and swirl, and more likely to curve in.
http://innovativetuning.com/siteImages/Tech/BarAndPlate.jpg

And here are some pics which illustrate what I meant when I said the charge air entries on a bar and plate sit flush with the core…and the tube and fin entries protrude:
http://innovativetuning.com/siteImages/Tech/BPvsTF.jpg

Enjoy!

-Mike

Here’s a decent example of radiused end tanks which promote uniform flow:
http://www.airpowersystems.com.au/wrx/my01/fmic/dr650_fmic/lower_corner_web.jpg

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:tup: I got a crappy intercooler

LOL. Sorry dude!

it seamed to be cooling the charge pretty well that day i checked the temp of your IC->TB pipe … was only like 3* above the outside air temp or something like that :gotme:

oh yeah!..I remember that

If you get a massive ebay core and your setup doens’t require much cooling it may bring the charge down near ambient just fine. I’m not saying it can’t work. :tup:

Good info. I’ve got a set of ARC intercoolers (Bar/Plate) and the air-entry side has instead of radius-ends, a v-shape design. You can see in this picture (right along the top of word “parts” in the watermark.) Not exactly the same as a radius end, but designed for the same purpose.

http://www.splparts.com/Parts/Z32/Turbo/IC/ARCIC.jpg

BARE AND PLATE

good writeup, just poking fun at your spelling :slight_smile:

ARC = $$$$

thanks for the writeup. some people think i’m crazy and over building this setup but i am trying to build something that I will not have to upgrade later… i just want to do it once and then build up other components in the car around it.

looks like a bar and plate will be my choice.

Great write-up Mike!

I know this is an old thread, but think it should be updated to talk about a different more efficient tube fin intercooler design. It is a tube fin design similar to that of tube-fin heaters. Large quantity of small round tubes makes for a better ratio of air to surface area for better heat transfer. Here is a sketch of the layout of this tube fin design.
http://speedmaxperformance.com/images/Products/intercoolerPic_sketch.jpg

Isnt it true that there is a size trade off between the two for example a 2’ X 2’ bar and plate can/could provide the same cooling efficiency as a 4’ X 4’ tube and fin? And I for one like the cheap E-bay IC’s, they are great for mocking in for a custom set up, you arent out a lot of doolers and the guess work is gone when you do order a custom IC from a good company, I used this practice on my Duramax before Spearco released good intercoolers, worked out well and I only had roughly $200 into an el cheapo that fit perfect, sent it off as a template for my good IC (which is still on the truck where ever it may be now :(…)

Thanks for providing such an informative post, and is going to really helpful for both pro’s as well as newbies like me.