so what you are saying is when you guys street race there should be no plea bargin and you should loose your licence to the furthest extent. I mean after all you know it was wrong but you did it anyways. then when you get caught again in that 1 or two year licence lost, you should never be allowed to drive again and then thrown in jail?
Crime is a crime in your eyes
Main Entry: crime
Pronunciation: 'krIm
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English, from Middle French, from Latin crimen accusation, reproach, crime; probably akin to Latin cernere to sift, determine
1 : an act or the commission of an act that is forbidden or the omission of a duty that is commanded by a public law and that makes the offender liable to punishment by that law; especially : a gross violation of law
I think you may want to correct or change your thinking…
mike, street racing doesn’t fall under criminal code, its a traffic violation. unless i killed someone i wouldn’t expect criminal charges for street racing. but yeah, if i get caught i should get the penalty for which crime/traffic violation i commited. BUT you can’t compare criminal activity to traffic violations. I don’t understand what the plea bargin is thou, you dealt drugs so just cauase you admit to that to skate on murder charges doesn’t mean you should still get a slap on the wrist for dealing drugs. The minum penalty isn’t enough. why should people who commit crimes be rewarded for good behavior? victims usually don’t get rewarded but have to suffer in someway the rest of their lives and i’m not talking about this case in particular but in general.
To be clear, he didn’t enter a plea bargin to get off of the murder charges. Those were dropped both through the state and federally before he made any kind of plea. He pleaded no contest to the drug charges because… WELL DUH. Jail is meant to be a correctional instituion. He was corrected about .001 seconds after he realized that girl died. Then 4 years of heartache and regret they saw it was useless to put him in jail. He is a contributing member of society and throwing him in jail would be a huge waste of tax payer money. You would know how much this has affected him and changed him if you knew him. He never wanted her to die and would love to turn back the clock on this one. Shit happens and there is no reason to ruin 2 lives over this shit.
well i guess when you put it that way there is no punishment worse than your own guilt. I just want to know why she had to die for him to realize he was wrong. But you say a contributing member of society, how so? does he speak to kids about how selling drugs ruined his life? Just going back to be a tax payer and not commiting crimes isn;'t good enough in my eyes because thats what you are supposed to do, there’s no pat on that back for doing what everyone else has to. If he doesn;t pay his debt with time spent it should be put to good use like community service. Just because you don’t get time in the clink doesn’t mean you shouldn’t be put to work. Sayin you are reformed and being reformed are two different things. neither you, I or him can say what he’ll be like 5,10,20 years from now, thats the only thing that will matter. I think his biggest debt is owed to his parents and we’re not talking about money. I couldn’t even think of doing something like that and disappointing my mom and grandma.
thank you I was out doing stuff. Cutty thats why I posted the definition in my thread. A crime is ANYTHING that violates a civilized law or standard. And you stated a CRIME IS A CRIME…
i went to school with brandy and she just happened to be my best friend’s girlfriend when she died so im pretty fimiliar with the case to say the least. if brandy never took the drugs then she wouldnt be dead obviously. now the dudes who sold it to her should be punished accordingly to what happened to her. im not just saying this because i knew her but because its the most logical thing to do. as for whoever fucked up and watched her die, yes that also was a factor but when faced with situation some people act diffrently and it was a huge mistake as well on their part. im sure the dude never ment for her to die when he sold her the drugs. even the lowest of the low drug dealers dont think its going to happen but it does from time to time. the bottom line is selling drugs is wrong and its a violation of the law so the person(s) who sold them should be punished. i dont think it would be enough just to give them the same charges as some dude who got caught selling his buddy some weed. you dont give the dude who shoots 12 people the same charges as the guy who shoots a guy in the leg by accident do you? ectasy isnt something to mess with and sometimes stuff like this has to happen for people to realize that. the bottom line is the girl is dead and it took a big toll on my friend and their family’s life. the drug dealers need to man up and take the charges they are delt because in the end they were the ones who infact contrubuited to her death moreso than anyone else.
sorry about your friend, but you’re wrong. The drug dealer is NOT who infact contributed to her death moreso than anyone else. The girl that took the E was the person that contributed to her death than anyone else. She wanted it, he gave it to her. He didnt make her take it. She took it herself. Personal responsibility.
yes i understand that BUT he sold it to her so besides it being her own fault he also broke the law so shouldnt there be some justice served there? i mean yea its her fault for taking it not taking anything away from that fact but 16yr old kids do dumb shit. we all did it just happens like this sometimes. im not saying the kid should get the gas chamber but he did sell her something that killed her and the charges should be a bit more harsh for that especially for the type of drug he was selling.
Sorry to burst your bubble but DS is right. Its called free will. No one forced her. To say that the punisment should be harsher for the guy, is basied on you knowing her and her BF and personal feelings, not facts. Sinc eyou know her and people it affected of course you think he deserves more punishment. Now if would have slipped them to her and she was not aware then yes he deserves more.
Personal Feelings when you are that close to a situation can cloud reasonable thought.
I went to school with the people she was with that night.
The house, where she was incapacitated at. It was just a huge party house all through H.S. with a huge ass homemade pond.
I agree drug dealers ahould be punished much harder than they are now.
After reading this thread again, I seem to want to side with cutty. I hope this guy who sold her the drugs wakes up every morning knowing he had a part in a girl’s untimely death, since it’s been stated he is a good person. :rolleyes:
i have no sympathy for drug dealers and druggies, they are a waste to society, plain and simple.
I mostly disagree with you because you get all fired up. same with boosted and sns - it’s easy and fun to argue with people. i’m sure real life would be 11ty billion times different than online. :love: :D:D:D
you just proved my point. the magic word is “intent”.
a guy who shoots 12 people INTENDS to shoot 12 people.
a guy who accidentally shoots a man in the leg DIDN’T INTEND to.
different punishments for radically different intents.
a guy who sells a bag of weed DOESN’T INTEND for the weed to kill anyone.
a guy who sells three hits of E DOESN’T INTEND for the E to kill anyone.
same intent, same punishment.
If the guy held the girl down, forcefed her 20 hits of E, and then left her in a field in the summer sun, the INTENT would be there.
considering he sold the E to two chicks, who later gave the girl who died hers, he’s only liable in that he’s a dealer. who’s to say the two chicks didn’t lace it.
intent or not - shooting someone or selling drugs is wrong and the person should get punished for it. same for the stupid fucking kids who get in their car and drive faster than they can handle and kill someone. I don’t give a fuck if you meant to hurt anyone else or not, it’s your fault someone else is fucked up and you need to be punished for it. the fucking criminal has more rights than the victim anymore.
thats bullshit. The kid did get punished for selling the drugs. Just because those drugs killed a chick doesnt mean that he is liable for it, especially since he didnt even sell it to her directly. Not to mention the fact that she’d almost definately be alive if the people at the party would have gotten her help. Ive been through this before, but on the other side. There was a girl that got REALLY drunk at our fraternity, and to make a long story short, my fraternity brothers very much contributed to her advanced state of inebriation. She needed help, and we took her to the hospital. Did we get in mad trouble? Yes. Is she alive? yes.