its official... the rest of W's term is fucked

now even the Republican leadership has turned on him.

WASHINGTON, Nov. 14 - In a sign of increasing unease among Congressional Republicans over the war in Iraq, the Senate is to consider on Tuesday a Republican proposal that calls for Iraqi forces to take the lead next year in securing the nation and for the Bush administration to lay out its strategy for ending the war.
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The Senate is also scheduled to vote Tuesday on a compromise, announced Monday night, that would allow terror detainees some access to federal courts. The Senate had voted last week to prohibit those being held from challenging their detentions in federal court, despite a Supreme Court ruling to the contrary.

Senator Lindsey Graham, the South Carolina Republican who is the author of the initial plan, said Monday that he had negotiated a compromise that would allow detainees at Guantánamo Bay, Cuba, to challenge their designation as enemy combatants in federal courts and also allow automatic appeals of any convictions handed down by the military where detainees receive prison terms of 10 years or more or a death sentence.

The proposal on the Iraq war, from Senator Bill Frist, the majority leader, and Senator John W. Warner, Republican of Virginia, chairman of the Armed Services Committee, would require the administration to provide extensive new quarterly reports to Congress on subjects like progress in bringing in other countries to help stabilize Iraq. The other appeals related to Iraq are nonbinding and express the position of the Senate.

:rofl: they all see the ship sinking and they’re trying to get off before it goes completly under.

I am calling it now. Rice is running in 08 and will win by a landslide…hold on to your liberal ass homo

you’re out of your fucking mind.

i don’t think america’s in a place yet where we could have a black president. there are too many camouflaged racists (the kind who don’t say anything openly, but won’t allow blacks in their country clubs) for such a thing. Racist Republicans won’t vote for Rice. Democrats won’t vote for Rice. Conservatives who want to distance themselves from Bush won’t vote for Rice.

The only black person alive today who would have a PRAYER of winning in 08 is Colin Powell.

The Republicans will run someone in the mold of a George Allen in 2008- a conservative southerner devoid of charisma. The Republicans will lose the election due to a shit candidate, not because of a great Democratic one. I sincerely hope Hillary doesn’t win the Democratic primary. The Dems will be handed this election on a platter, and I’d rather it go to someone more firmly rooted in liberal ideals than she is. She’s just a fucking politician, and closer to the center on family issues than her husband.

addendum: according to those “fair and balanced” assholes at fox news, hillary beats rice if the election is held now (as of sept, their last poll)

McCain, Schumer, Biden, Maher or Liebowitz

McCain - he’ll win if he runs.

Schumer - too “new york jewwy” for corn-farmer america

Biden - mmmmmmaybe. he’s more likeable than kerry, but then so are genital warts.

Maher - you kidding me?

Liebowitz - who?

i REALLY hope McCain runs. with all the republicans running from bush like the plague, they would need a new leader to rally behind. Democrats love him, Republicans respect him. He could unite the parties and we could actually get some shit done in this country. assuming Bush doesnt start WWIII.

oh yeah.

shrug, without knowing who else is up i’d vote mcCain. hell i like spector for the fact that both liberals and conservatives hate him… that means to me while he may lean right he votes his mind (just like me :D). sure, i’ll jump on the mcCain wagon early, it’s when you get the best seats. :boink

Just my 2 cents… If Hilary Runs and or wins (Fat chance in Hell) I’m moving to Canada…

Rudy Giuliani has shown interest, and I believe he would beat any Democrat that ran against him.
From what I have read he will run only if Hillary runs.

wtf… like this isn’t just all media bullshit… wtf do you expect? this drama with making bush justify the war is such bullshit… so back when the UN was all up in arms about sadam not following protocol and all the countries in the UN were up in arms saying we had to do something, bush went with it, with support from america as a whole, repub and democrat alike, and it turned into this mess… so then the democrats want to take bush to court over it all and put him up to impeach him… saying he planned all this with false pretences… come on… no one knew any more than anyone else at that point… now republicans want to document the bullshit so that i cannot be used against the president as some sort of secret dealing… MEANWHILE just fucking start to imagine past terms wehn this bullshit didn’t fly… how many shady deals went down with past presidents?

we CANNOT let fucking pieces of shit into our federal courts to sue OUR military and past war efforts… am i the onlyone that thinks thats fucking bullshit? i mean come the fuck on… i do’nt give a fuck what happened to those people duringa war… because it was during a war… what happened to thousands of people during all wars?

/current media + politics

rice is a tool & won’t win…
if it was rice vs. hilary…hilary would win.
i think a lot of people underestimate her…i think she has a greater chance then people give her credit for.

McCain is good friends with the clintons & had a lot of positive things to say about her on TV last week…& said the same thing i’ve been saying about her …people writing her off as having no chance.

i agree with shaler…i don’t think there will be a ethnic minority president anytime soon.
i think we’ll see a white female before a enthinc minority president.

i don’t think Powell would have a chance either.

i don’t know much about the guy but wasn’t there rumors of senator Obama running?

I don’t think Giuliani has a chance of winning either.

this thread isn’t about presidential nomoniees… you guys have 3 years to have people in and out of the spotlight as protential presidents…

the thing is that my politics prof. feels very sure that Rice will win over clinton and she is a super liberal. Rice will get the black vote which is usually democrat, she will also get the bible belt. I would love it if she ran and won. she would do well

I don’t think Rice would get the black vote.

To think that black people would flip ideologies to get a black woman in the white house is ludicrous. If a hardcore conservative Austrian ran for president, I sure as fuck wouldn’t vote for him.

no she won’t…black people don’t like her.

i think you guys took her in the racial draft.

“In a surprise move, the white delegation chose Colin Powell. While Powell’s whiteness was under review, the black delegation accepted the white delegation’s attempt to draft him, but only on the condition that they also take Condoleeza Rice as part of the deal.”

I think that she would. Blacks would love to vote for any black person no matter who it is. The thing is I just dont think it would happen because she wouldn’t get enough votes or she would get killed. She has got 2 things against her, she is black and she is a women (im not being predjudice im being realistic). Colin would be reasonable but I think he knows that if here were to run he would be risking his life and he would rather have be in the cabinent and still make important decisions and get paid millions.

NEGATIVE