Yah, for that whole minute you’re out there, wow, so exciting. :roll:[/quote]
I’d put that minute up against the 40min race I did last Sunday anytime…
Please… how would you know the difficulty behind drifting, and drifting well?
I know alot of guys who can drift… and not do it very well. The rules from that perspective are no different then grip. In fact they are exactly the same, except one is timed, and the other is judged.
Thankless jobs? I know what it’s like to run and flag events, and if your there looking for thanks then you shouldn’t be doing it. Your there because you love to do it, just as much as the people who are there to compete.
I’ll tell you right now, wheel to wheel, competitive racing, and solo 1 at high speeds are harder then solo2. I stick by it, because the speeds your travelling at, the moving obstacles and the tires your maxing out, could put you in the wall at any point. Oh thats the other thing solo 2 doesn’t have… is pressure.
I’m not attacking you, I’m attacking this sudden trend in the motorsports industry to single out and profile all 240sx owners as drifters, and thus treat them and punish them accordingly. It’s insulting. I don’t particularily care if you’re the King of the World. It’s wrong. And clearly thats the issue that is here right now.
I didn’t make this thread. A very dissatisfied racer did. Rather then sit here and argue against him, why don’t you find out the problem with the organizer of the said event, and rectify the issue so everyone is happy?
Sure it’s out of your jurisdiction, but rather then blindly assuming this kid is a punk, and that all 240 owners are drifters, why not spend the time finding out what really happened? I’m sure you could on a central forum of some sort.
I know Solo guys… 1 and 2… all very nice guys, and they don’t like the drifters because it goes against convention. Thats fine. But because they participate in our events, don’t punish and ridicule them at your events because of a pre concieved notion they’re somhow rebellious and evil.
Sasha was a drifter, about as hardcore as you could get, and he was very good. He switched that same drift car to grip by adding R-comps and changing the settings. He won his first race in GrandTouring Unlimited class about a month ago. It was an 85 minute enduro? Yeah an enduro. He’s very well liked by everyone there and he’s the only guy I’ve seen out there that can save a car thats severly out of shape, on r-comps without an issue. Malcolm maybe, but he gernerally doesn’t get out of shape.
The point is, I don’t care how fast you are at dunville on r comps. Because if you run solo 2, you probably have a stock motor. When you get to the point where you can actually start exceeding your cars grip in a turn let me know.
Everything you’ve said in your last post didn’t surprise me to be honest. Except for the fact you’re a driector, because I would have expected a director to contact Applesauce, via PM to find out what the problem was, how to resolve it, and then made a less agressive post otherwise… Aside from that… it’s all standard issue, of anyone whos been in racing for a while.
Very well said, Bob.
Nicely said bob.
Andrew.
TM,
I am in relatively constant contact with the organizers of the event. I conseder a couple of them good personal friends. I would have done the same thing in that situation.
Maybe they were rude about it, I don’t know. I wasn’t there and don’t know what was said to by either party so I’ll give everyone the benefit of the doubt on that front.
The point I’m addressing is simply this: Someone was upset that they weren’t allowed to drift and accused my sport and it’s people of being the “problem”, something which you appear to be doing too.
I am stating that my sport isn’t the problem. The problem is that a person can’t expect to show up at a event of one kind and expect to do something very different. I wouldn’t show up at a drift day and drive full out grip constantly catching other cars and forcing them to slow down to let me by, so why would a drifter expect to be able to show up to a solo-2 and drift. Drifting is done at drift events. If you want to drift, then go drifting. There are organizing bodies for that now.
And I’ve seen nothing of your percieved profiling of 240 owners. I know a few very quick 240’s and couple of very good drivers that own 240’s. I’ve never assumed that someones a drifter because they own a 240 and I’ve never heard anyone I know in the motorsports community say that (except in joking to a long time competitor who brough a 240 to a slalom a couple of months after he started getting involved in drifting). There is some profiling of drifters but that’s because drifting is VERY popular right now and as such attracts a lot of youg loud mouth rice boys that have given the sport a bad reputation. But this is changing due to the work of respectful and skilled drivers that are getting involved and take driving seriously. It’s very much like snow boarding was in the early 90’s.
Now as for:
When you get to the point where you can actually start exceeding your cars grip in a turn let me know.
What are you talking about? The exit of the corner is the easiest part. It’s getting into a corner fast that’s difficult. Do you mean to tell me you think that the reason I can out lap 400hp cars in a 115hp car (with stock suspension) is because the 115hp car is faster? Do you really think I (or any other remotely half decent driver for that matter) couldn’t drive a powerful car faster than I can drive my low power car?
BTW the 2nd car I ever slalomed was 480lb, CBR600 powered open wheel Formula SAE car. I have lots of experience in cars that can overpower the rear wheels.
i think you’re missing the entire issue, HE wasnt drifting, he was doing exactly what you said you picture is at the bottom of every one of your posts.
So how is it that it is condoned that a miata can spin out and a 240 cannot because all of a sudden it’s drifitng.
every 240sx with a body kit is a drifter, you don’t see his miata with a body kit so he’s obviously not a drifter
yes people are bigots, it’s easy to be once you’re in charge
I did find out some more information yesterday. Apparantly there has been a few instances of over zealous drivers causing issues. An STi driver decided to do three or four donuts after spinning out at a recent event and a couple of other instances were mentioned. The organizers are trying to crack down on it before it becomes an issue. It seems it was more of a bad timing issue rather than an attrack on 240 drivers. As Marsh has mentioned, our lots are always under threat of being taken away, almost ALL motorsports events at the Powerade center were going to be banned after the drift event a couple of years ago.
If you want to talk about drifters that got screwed, how about the guys that ran at the Molson Grand Prix? Champ Car invited them, then once they showed up they were pretty much abandoned, no paddock space, no instructions, no one instructed on flagging, even the starter left the stand because Champ Car/Organizers didn’t think a starter was needed. I gridded them from Pit lane and ended up sending them out because no-one was told what was expected for them to start. I felt really bad for them.
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Marsh,
What I’m saying is that he is upset not because he wasn’t allowed to drift, he was upset because he was kicked out because he was thought to be drifting, even though he simply spun out.
Thats the root issue here.
Yeah, forumla SAE cars are fun to build and fun to drive, I’m very aware of them as for the last 2 years I’ve been helping build one.
You talk to any of the more knowledgeable people here, they know as well as anyone that power is only half the battle when it comes to lapping, but it’s easier to race a go-kart with a body. Not knocking your experience in lapping but I still don’t agree with pushing the limits in a parking lot vs pushing the limits on a track. Especially wheel to wheel.
SE-R…
Ignorance? All those times he ended up getting sideways was because he went in to hot. Thats called a save. See here’s the thing about some of you guys. I guess not you in particular, because you’re FWD so dynamics are different for you, however for people that have RWD cars i’ll tell you how things work.
If they get out of shape, they hit the brakes and lock them up and spin inwards of the turn. They don’t try to save, they don’t bother.
Sasha was making the save after going in hot and getting out of shape. Do you know how hard that is to do with 305 R-comps on it? I don’t know which one of the sentra guys have a problem with him, but more then anything it sounds alot like ignorance with reference to him sliding.
It’s not intentional, it happens when he goes in hot, and he knows as well as anyone drifting isn’t the fastest way around the track, which is when he’s trying to be in GT right? Last time I checked when his car was healthy he was going alright for himself…
About the incident with the seatbelt, did anyone ask him why this happened? No you guys made assumptions, which is what created this whole thread in the first place. People making assumptions and not finding out the story. I believe Sasha’s in car fan fell down under the pedals, and in order to remove it from under the pedals he had to remove his harness. Now it’s not the best reason, but it’s better then not being able to brake right?
He doesn’t do things for no reason, there is always a method to his madness. And normally it’s a legit reason.
Now, because CASC seems to delete anything after 2 pages for road racing I can not link the specific thread I was looking for. But there was a thread with a bunch of pictures with Sasha crossed up, and the corner workers (Cory) and more then a few racers knew that it was a save. And they were not only impressed with the save, but his abilities at a young age.
Sounds more like some of the Sentra guys are either jealous, or ignorant.
How about this, next time your at the track, take a stroll over and ask Malcolm about Sasha, and given that Malcolm is a very honest person and knows as much as anyone about racing, find out from him what kind of guy Sasha is, or if you’re so inclined, ask him yourself…
As far as I’m concerned, you guys claim to be partial, but it’s pretty clear thats not the case.
Corner exit is the easiest?
Please elaborate.
Just after apex is where I find out if my grip is going to hold just as a touch candy cains or I’m going for a little ride off the track. Unless I’m doing something wrong. I find on entry if I late brake the arse will come out on me. In which case I deal with it, I ussually don’t have to spin to hold it. I just hang the arse out.
However, just after I apex is where I ussually have most problems, because thats when I’m going to touch off track and if a slower car is infront of me and I have to apply brakes on exit to avoid slamming into him, my cars going to be all out of shape.
Entry to apex I find easier then apex to exit.
Entry and apex is easy to spot, but when carrying loads of speed on exit, the car spots exit for you. And I don’t particularly like lifting off so the car settles where it pleases.
Andrew.
you guys are starting to get a bit too hot… this is a good discussion so lets keep it a bit cool okay guys…
Back to the origioal topic, we can all see by the posts so far that it’s very easy to point fingers and insult other sports, yet you get offended when ‘your’ sport is singled out. I give credit to the origional poster from coming out and trying it, and I believe he is going to come out again…btw come to the OMSC regional event at the DDT, it might suit your car a bit better than the tighter parking lots.
One of our longtime members and top drivers (Tom S.) drives an older AE86 and a '96 240, and is now drifting as well, I don’t think he has ever been hassled other than noise issues which were kind of BS. But that’s another story.
Maybe we should spend more time to learn about each sport and the skill it requires instead of just brushing it off as lame.
No I wont be out to another Solo event. As far as I’m concerned I’m not welcome because I drive a 240.
The only thing lame about solo2 imo is seat time.
No I wont be out to another Solo event. As far as I’m concerned I’m not welcome because I drive a 240.
The only thing lame about solo2 imo is seat time.[/quote]
That’s unfortunate, I’m sorry one event ruined it for you, as I said, give the regionals a try, it’s a much bigger mixed bag of cars and a lot of nice guys. the seat time does kinda suck but it’s better now than it’s ever been, I was at an event in Ottawa a few years back that ended up with only three runs and about 2 hours between. On Sun, I got 6 in plus lots of fun runs were available and the wait time was short.
SE-R Racer where you at the event i drove at?? Did you come up to me while I was in my car??
No, If I’d been there I probably would have come over to check out the car, but so far I’ve only been able to attend one solo II this year, the regionals in Barrie on Sun. Lots of fun.
No, If I’d been there I probably would have come over to check out the car, but so far I’ve only been able to attend one solo II this year, the regionals in Barrie on Sun. Lots of fun.[/quote]
Well you’ve got another buddy out there who drives a sentra and a 200sx.
WOW !
fun read 
I thought I would put my 2 cents in too
since I obviously prefer Solo 1 I will start with that…its a pure sport, Its you fighting yourself, and your fear, which is by far at higher levels of driving the most direct thing that slows you down, and by far is the best indicator of how far a driver will succeed vs other comparible drivers (meaning at high levels of car control and knowledge of the track) to be competitive you have to drive at 10/10ths without fail. And the nice part is you dont have anyone interfering with this goal (aka door to door) you are free to experiment with the car and your lines without hinderance. Thats what I like about its purity. Plus its so damn competitive in the classes the cars are very equally matched in times.
Solo2 …well having tried it several times, since our club hosts these events…I can say that I cant stand it… its very hard on the car with alot of gear jamming and high revving looking over a sea of cones making shopping cart like turns… cant stand it… its got no flow, and I would rather be mowing my lawn.
Regional racing/Door to door
Personlly this will be my next step but in a shit car, I just cant bear to lose the red s13 that I have had since 89’, so the black S13 will hav eto do …might do it in the next few years…
Re: Sasha and andrew
Having driving against Andrew in Solo 1 for many years, he is a good driver (above average), however his skills (with his dad) at car set up are really what make them shine as a team. I know both Andrew and his dad personally and are freinds with them. they are not a factory lexus team, they have a small shop outside Caledon, and the reason WHY they are fast is they know what they are doing…they are about the ONLY team in ontario that I know of that REALLY knows what they are doing with car set up. They are doing things that EVEN factory teams are not doing.
I have known Sasha for a few years and he is a good kid, (glad to see he is now racing off the street ) His s13 in current trim should be killing those lexus cars, but he is new and green…so give him time…experiance counts for alot, and he still is learning and growing. (plus its DAMN hard to field a high power turbo car, as I know from 5 years of trying to do it…either the car will decimate all comers …or blow up and catch on fire )
Car setup and suspension is SOOOOO key…
about things in general, You cant say this series has the best drivers , or this one ect…
I know alot of people that moved on from SOLO 1 , into door to door, and cant drive thier way out of a paper bag, and conversly there are ALOT of good SOLO 2 drivers that I would not hesitate to say would kill most of the door to door drivers. And I would not hesitate to say that the top SOlO 1 drivers would also very easily dominate in door to door as well…
basically …the top drivers in most series really are GOOD drivers. (only exception is that I have seen many solo 2 drivers not comfortable with the high speeds in road racing and have failed to be competitive due to that)
PS I am only 35 so not that old
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