I went into it trying to keep a level head knowing it was produced from the perspective of the defendants. I was absolutely blown away that stuff like this still happens in the U.S. The thing that bothered me the most is that he lost all of his appeals, showing a systematic issue.
I did some reading after watching trying to find the perspective of the prosecution. I was convinced there would be something huge that the producers left out to make the documentary more dramatic, but there really isn’t anything huge. The 2 things they provided were just as tainted as the rest of the evidence.
I haven’t watched, but 12 jurors came up with a unanimous guilty verdict. And with so many people involved who would have to be in on it for the conspiracy to play out, I’d default to their decision.
The more I hear about this the more I think this show is the equivalent of Loose Change for 911.
@King probably has some thoughts since he binged it.
That’s where I am with it. I haven’t watched it yet but the show is obviously going to be heavily weighted to the defendant’s side. it’s tough to get the full story.
I guess the whole project started as a video to help the defense team make their case at trial, then morphed into what’s on Netflix. From what I hear the family of the girl who was murdered isn’t even on it for their point of view.
I literally just finished it 20min ago. Obviously it was weighted towards the defense, but there’s certainly a lot of circumstantial evidence pointing towards some corruption. Also, the prosecutor was annoying as hell. I saw a video somewhere showing some facts that weren’t in the series that were not in Avery’s favor… i’ll take a look at that tomorrow. My gut is he’s innocent, though the big missing link with that is who actually killed her (cops? random 3rd person), and at what point did the cops intervene, and how did all this happen with Avery was home without him noticing (yes i know it’s a big property).
That Dassey kid is a moron, WOW. I do feel bad for him, they totally took advantage of his stupidity.
The prosecutors have had ample time to publicly claim their side of the story. The “smoking guns” they say we’re left out were 2 main things. #1 was the DNA on the hood latch. Given they were given 8 days on the Avery property for the search, it’s not far fetched to think they could have planted that as well. Why would someone who is actively bleeding from a hand wound leave no blood DNA under the hood but leave it inside the car?
#2 was that they found leg irons and handcuffs in the residence. This really doesn’t prove a god damn thing since there was no DNA evidence on them. For a person who they claim was chained up, raped, stabbed, shot, then dragged around the property-- it’s amazing that she did not leave a DROP of DNA evidence in the house or garage. They went to great lengths to find blood in,the garage and even tore up the cracks in the concrete and found none. They claim he cleaned it with bleach (which can Easily be proven false). Why would he go to the lengths cleaning the garage with bleach, burning a body, but then leave a bloody car just sitting randomly on the property when he has his own car crusher?
I’m not necessarily arguing he didn’t do it. The guy is a weirdo and who knows what 18 years in prison after being framed for a crime will do to someone. They absolutely fabricated most, if not all of this crime scene evidence to obtain a conviction.
I wasn’t there. I wasn’t on the jury. I’m not going to jump to the conclusion of “he’s innocent! Let him go!” like the majority of my Facebook feed has.
Look, there can’t be any doubt in your mind that he didn’t do it. With this case it’s impossible. Even with just seeing one side of the story. So I’m not going to say he’s innocent, but I certainly can’t say he’s guilty.
I’d rather a murderer go free, than an innocent person be jailed for life.
Saw an interview with someone who was involved with the trial of the younger guy and they had his bleach soaked jeans as evidence, so wouldn’t they have proven it false at trial? They found the jeans after the kid told the cops about them? :gotme:
… I really don’t want to have to watch this, lol.
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The guy soaked a cat in a flammable liquid then threw it in a fire right?
Mr. Avery’s blood was found inside Ms. Halbach’s vehicle, and the documentary explains the defense theory that it could have been planted there by officers who had access to a vial of his blood. Sweat, however, never came up.
“How do you get Avery’s sweat underneath a hood latch of a vehicle?” Mr. Kratz said. “That is completely inconsistent with any kind of planting.”Mr. Kratz also said a bullet with Ms. Halbach’s DNA on it found in Mr. Avery’s garage was matched to a rifle that hung over Mr. Avery’s bed. The gun was confiscated when officers searched his trailer on Nov. 5, 2005, and the bullet was found in the garage in March 2006, Mr. Kratz said.
“If they planted it, how did they get a bullet that was shot from Avery’s gun before Nov. 5?” he said.
Mr. Strang, the defense attorney, said on Monday that the DNA found under the hood was never identified as sweat and that its presence did not require that Mr. Avery touched the car. And bullet fragments were all over the property, where the family often shot guns. That Ms. Halbach’s DNA was on the bullet “really didn’t move the needle one way or another,” Mr. Strang said.
Yes he did… which some would argue was a LONG time ago, prior to the 18 year false conviction… but still… usually when someone gets into hurting/killing animals it’s a precursor for violence down the line.
I’m through episode 6. It’s a bit dry at times, but certainly interesting. Clearly it’s weighted heavily towards the defense but still, there’s a lot of weird stuff you just can’t explain away.
I’m with @Beck . I’d much rather a guilty man go free than an innocent man stay behind bars.
Yup. The level of injustice where innocent people are jailed for crimes they didn’t commit is beyond my own comprehension. I cannot fathom being in that situation.
Yeah. And he did his time for that. Plus another 18 years for a crime he didn’t commit. All that aside, killing a cat hardly deserves life in prison, but I’m on the Internet where everyone loves cats- so I’m sure somebody thinks that it does.
Until you see it, its easy to read that short little snippet and say “hes guilty”.
The blood in the vehicle may have been planted, and efforts to prove this were thwarted by shoddy science and false testimony. The EDTA testing used by the FBI (only the second time in history, OJ simpson being the other), reportedly had no lab report for lower limit detection. They even testified to this in court, that the absence of EDTA in the blood does not prove that it did not get planted from the vial of blood in evidence that had been tampered with. If Avery is ever to be exonerated, this will probably be where it happens. As newer technology comes along, if they find a way to reliably test for EDTA in the blood and are able to prove that it came from the evidence vial, he will be able to get a new trial as it should be considered significantly new material evidence. This would be ironic, since that is what happened in the first case he was framed for.
DNA on the bullet should have been excluded from evidence because the DNA testing was contaminated by the lab. They broke established scientific protocol to allow this evidence to be admissible. If she was shot in the garage where the bullet was found, WHERE IS ALL OF THE BLOOD? The bleach theory is garbage. The floor of the garage was covered in cracks, which they dug up. I don’t know if you have ever cleaned up large amounts of blood before, but it gets everywhere. There 100% would be blood in the cracks, as well as all over the thousands of items in the cluttered garage. Also, why would someone who is smart enough to clean the garage with bleach to cover his tracks just leave the rav4 on his property, covered in blood evidence, ESPECIALLY when he has his own car crusher.
Watch this video and tell me this guy isn’t hiding something. He is one of the two cops who the defense suspect is involved in the framing.
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Also, im now FUCKED if anyone ever accuses me of murder and wants to frame me. Check my browsing history and it will include searches about cleaning up DNA evidence.
I just finished watch it. as much as the family is total trash, if they are not both outright innocent, both need new trials at a minimum. I can’t believe how much was wrong with the investigations.
it really is worth watching and will suck you right in.
This one strikes me the most. For a garage floor that was cleaned 100% of all blood evidence after a shooting, they find shell casings? Does this look like a garage that was scrubbed clean of DNA evidence? No.
Lack of prints on everything and DNA that can be transferred via touching. SO many holes in the evidence it is painful to watch and read about.
One thing that really got me was that she was “shot in the head” in the garage but there was no blood spatter anywhere in the disaster of a garage, or on the gun.
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Why the prosecutions case is airtight-
A guy who is a month or two away from a $36 million dollar check gets impatient waiting for all that money and decides to rape and murder a woman that he telephonically arranges (which she seems un-frightened to see him in her voicemail) to come visit his property in the middle of a weekday in full view of various people coming and going from said property. Once he gets her inside his trailer and commences with said raping, he gets a knock on his door, and answering it, he sees his nephew with the mental capacity of a 9 year old. Rather than saying, “I’m busy”, he invites said nephew in to witness, participate in, and eventually confess about all the subsequent rapiness and other crimes that happen. Luckily for him, the nephew does not seem to possess any DNA, since none of it gets anywhere during the entire afternoon and evening.
Later, after much raping, stabbing, cutting, slitting, etc, that happens without any blood loss, the woman is dragged to the garage where she is shot eleven times, again without any blood loss, and also without making any sound. Later that evening, they burn the woman’s body a few yards away from where several people live, without the horrifying and distinctive smell caused by a burning body.
At some point during this time, the guy and his nephew drive the woman’s car (after first taking some of her bloody hair and drawing pictures with it in the back of the vehicle) to what they think is a perfect hiding spot behind 3 or 4 branches, which is located very close to a large and inconvenient car-crusher. They do this without leaving any fingerprints or the tiniest bit of DNA in the car, except for a lot of smeared blood in very obvious spots.
Three days later the police come asking questions and want to look around inside the trailer. The guy lets them do it, knowing he is safe because all of the raping, stabbing, cutting, slitting, etc, that happened in his carpeted trailer happened without any blood loss. The very next day, this guy leaves for his family’s cabin 100 miles away, but decides not to bring the woman’s car key, bones, teeth, cell phone, camera, etc. to dispose of far away because he knows he’s loved by the Manitowoc police department and they will never suspect him and search his property.
Everyone representing the state on that trial were a bunch of scum bag liars. Seems like the only one with half a brain on the defense side was the kids mother.
