Montana gun legislation enacted

I agree with you here, but not with the “they will not take your guns”

NY has been trying to (and it’s past the assembly again) pass it’s revised AWB. The new one allows for NO features, and there is no grandfather clause. I would have to turn in about 5k worth of firearms.

This new ban would make my .22 target rifle an assault weapon because of the thumb hole stock.

It won’t make it past the senate, but it only takes 1 election to change the state’s senators.

I don’t want to sound like an ass, but look at MicaH… he was willing to argue a point, but had no experience with firearms (no offense MicaH, just using you to make a point). The people on soap boxes down in Albany aren’t as open minded as he is, and have no idea what a “hand guard” is, but want to ban them because they are dangerous.

I find their ignorance to be far more dangerous.

See I think those laws are just plain dumb and are more anti-gun than gun-control. I just don’t see their being enough support for this kind of legislation to justify the paranoia coming from many people on the right.

When you have all of one side of the aisle and many from the other side against this kind of legislation I just don’t see it happening.

It doesn’t stop with the gun laws, they just happen to be a real hot button right now (like abortion 10 years ago). We really need less gov. intervention, and more personal responsibility.

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I still stand behind the fact that handguns should not be in the hands of civilians… unless properly trained and properly documented.

I’m ok with Montana citizens can buy montana guns and no one else, since montana is the way montana is… however guns going back into say NYS cities and what not is absolutely ridiculous.

There would be no gun violence (or much much less of it) if people we responsible with their firearms, and states were responsible with their gun laws…

Personal responsibility will never happen, we are not a responsible species by any means.

if we all had guns Darwin would get more accomplished

Yes because only the best and the brightest can shoot a gun.

Look into a little hisory of westward expansion and see how having EVERYONE armed was not such a good idea.

Your one bitchy mother fucker Z28. The problem with america, is everyone is too worried what everyone else is doing. Everyone cares what I do in my free time. Guns don’t pick themselves up and shoot people. Lets deal with the fucking dumb mother fuckers that shoot people, and not blame the inanimate object.

If you want to look at case studies, why don’t you pick a little more modern version. How about post gun ban Britain and Australia.

We have already made it Illegal to kill another person, to sell drugs, to use deadly weapons to harm someone, to stalk someone… yet all of these crimes still happen. So WTF will more laws do? really. All you do is continue to punish only those that follow the law, and allow the criminals to continue to do what they do, break the law. Only now I am left with a knife, while he has a gun. Your never going to get rid of all of the guns, because you fucking can’t. No more than we can rid the world of drugs, gang bangers, and whiny mother fuckers that are scared of a gun.

BTW, your obama quote is fucking retarded, because you have no clue what liberty is. You prove this time and time again when you want to legislate the actions and abilities of others to enjoy their liberty.

Heres a quote for you. “Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety”. The person that said that knew what he was talking about. He knew that if you give up some of your freedom for something, you soon realize that someone else will give up some more of your freedom for what they see as right. Soon no one has freedom, and you don’t know how it all happened. All you know is that your not getting it back.

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What the hell do you think I am for? I have spelled out my beliefs time and time again but it sounds like you want to put me into the ultra radical group.

I am for:
Getting a permit to buy a hand gun that shouldn’t take longer than 6 weeks to get. (Fuck you Erie County!)

I want criminal and psychological (if you spent time in a mental ward you should not be allowed to own a handgun) background check when applying for a permit.

No one should be allowed to own an automatic weapon.

The Assault Weapons Ban is stupid.

Typically I am considered pretty moderate when compared to the nutjobs on the far left and right.

And as far as my quote is concerned for the last 6 years much of our communications were recorded and monitored illegally so yeah I think a man that tries to reverse that stuff knows more about liberty than you think.

Its: “Those Who Sacrifice Liberty For Security Deserve Neither”

That was from Ben Franklin

Beat me to it.

i don’t want to fight… I just need some clarity…
do you mean a fully automatic, semi automatic or both? Every assault weapon I can think of is one of the 2.

Fully auto.

And thats not what the AWB was about.

Please see my sig

That is too extreme. How can anyone possibly compare any President let alone Obama to Hitler?

The only reason I know this is because I was looking into buying an SKS recently:

An ‘assault weapon’, strictly speaking, needs to have selectable fully/semi-auto fire capability, detachable magazines, that fires an intermediate round.

If it’s strictly semi-auto, it’s not an assault weapon…although some people throw the term around loosely.

Z28: FWIW, I like your views.

Your wrong, if your refering to NYS and the former federal AWB.

By former U.S. law, the legal term assault weapon included certain specific semi-automatic firearm models by name (e.g., Colt AR-15, TEC-9, all non-automatic AK-47s, and Uzis) and other semi-automatic firearms because they possess a minimum set of features from the following list of features:

Semi-automatic rifles able to accept detachable magazines and two or more of the following:
Folding or telescoping stock
Pistol grip
Bayonet mount
Flash suppressor, or threaded barrel designed to accommodate one
Grenade launcher (more precisely, a muzzle device which enables the launching or firing of rifle grenades)

Semi-automatic pistols with detachable magazines and two or more of the following:
Magazine that attaches outside the pistol grip
Threaded barrel to attach barrel extender, flash suppressor, handgrip, or suppressor
Barrel shroud that can be used as a hand-hold
Unloaded weight of 50 oz (1.4 kg) or more
A semi-automatic version of an automatic firearm

Semi-automatic shotguns with two or more of the following:
Folding or telescoping stock
Pistol grip
Fixed capacity of more than 5 rounds
Detachable magazine

Now if your speaking of commonly held views, well thats up in the air. There is no official “assault weapon” its just a great term that has been tossed around for so long, that we forget what bullshit it really is.

Just like there is no such thing as a “sniper rifle” because pretty much any rifle can kill, and all high powered rifles can reach out and touch someone. So any target, hunting, or varmint rifle could be used as a “sniper rifle”. A rifle would only be a “sniper rifle” if used in that fashion as a sniper would, or by someone acually performing the job of a sniper.

By the medias definion of a “sniper rifle” the zero power eo-tech sight on a bushmaster ar-15 is a sniper rifle, most of the world would disagree.

Most people don’t know that the US Army uses a Remington 700 as its “sniper rifle”. So do most LE Agencies. That rifle is hands down the most popular hunting rifle ever made. Its bolt action and very accurate. Its been used to kill more people from long distances than the Barrett .50 (which isn’t even a good .50 cal) but still you have no talent ass clowns crying about the Barrett, but say nothing about the Remington.

Lack of education makes these arguements frustrating, because most of the people that think they know so much, in reality only know the bullshit that they have been reading since they were kids, and the Clinton administration was pushing so hard for the AWB.

He isn’t comparing Obama to Hitler. He’s saying the government gains control because the people they govern don’t think for themselves. So it is a necessity that the government make laws because the majority don’t think.

And after last night. Stricter gun control might have saved the life of a recent graduate at UB as he was shot in the head on main street. A situation where he would not even be able to carry a gun cause 1) he was drinking and 2) he was in a bar/night club