exactly. maybe some of the guys on here would understand if they had to buy their own equipment and materials, then you would realize places like inline and synapse arent really giving anyone a bad price once they pay an employee to do the work+material+equipment costs. is everyone forgetting this isnt a cheap game we are playing? modified cars are the farthest thing from cheap, and trying to do things on the cheap means cuting corners and not doing things the way they should be. it all comes down to opinion but your car is an expression of yourself, if you slack on quality were you really ever concerned in the first place? nice things cost money. thats that. spot on hank.:thumbup