Newman's Snowboard/Wakeboard winch build...

So I decided to build a winch to do urban snowboarding + wakeboarding.

These cost anywhere from 1600-2500 depending on the options, I think I can do it for about 6-700 and have way more power/options…

Purchased parts:

11.50 Ft-lbs Briggs and Stratton motor: $289 From northern hydraulics (commercial models use shitty Chinese 6.5 HP motors from harbor freight)

TC2 Torque converter: $250 from gokartsusa.com (crucial component in performing deep water wakeboard starts)

500 Feet of coated steel 3/32 OD cable: $55 shipped from pambinaimpex.com (920lb breaking strength)

Chinese dirtbike front brake assembly: $50 shipped from ebay (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=150500045641) used to stop the drum once the rider has let go of the handle

ATV Fairlead: $15 shipped from ebay (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=300476009667) protects the winch cable

#35 Chain: $10

That’s pretty much it for purchased parts.

Step one was to model everything in cad…

Motor (took 5 hours to model… call me anal…):

Torque converter:

Next I started coming up with some rough ideas for making/mounting the drum. Every winch I have seen uses a live axle… however, that adds width and complexity. I decided to simply mount everything around the bearings in some custom machined hubs. This cuts the number of machined parts to 2 total.

I think this is a vast improvement over the standard “live axle” method:
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I also decided to make the drum in a few pices by using 8 rods and dowels to join 2 discs… that way I can essentially change the drum diameter by moving the dowels outward.

I do want to add the ability to disengage the sprocket to facilitate easier line extension…

Looking good!

You gonna stick with the 35 chain?

Dan

Some pics of the current design… i’ll explain more later:

What kind of linear speed do you expect this thing to reach?

44 tooth chainring will hit 35 or 40. But I have more sprockets to gear it down.

I wanna see this in action :tup:

I wonder why you went with steel line? even jeepers who pull each other of of mud bogs dont use steel line.
too much danger involved with it

Go damn, that’s no joke.

I’d like to hear about some of the design constraints and things that you’re doing differently than what’s currently out there.

So what stops the engine/causes the clutch to disengage in order to stop pulling you when you get to the end of the run? Is it possible to make a 2-unit setup with one on each side of the field/pond working on the same cable so you won’t have to manually unravel the cable?

I think doubling the cost of the project isn’t exactly worth it. Grabbing the cord and walking away doesn’t seem all that difficult if you ask me.

oh sweet thanks for doing my senior project for me. just have it done by January for me k thx haha.

but really. props for making a better design and making something rather than going out and buying it

I agree, just wondering about the possibility. I’m still unclear on what causes the unit to stop pulling the person when the cable is nearly completely coiled/they are at the end of the run - 2nd person to kill the engine to disengage the clutch?

That’s how it was run in a video he posted in another thread. Wouldn’t be too difficult to set up a kill switch, though.

an engineer and a half there t-up

The reason that they don’t use steel cable is because when it breaks, it fucking whips and can kill you. This is pulling a person on a snowboard. Even if it somehow DID break on some fluke, the forces involved are so low the cable will just fall to the ground.

Honestly that sounds like a terrible idea. The point of this isn’t to go for joyrides, it’s to hit jumps and shit.

It’s gotta be a 2 person operation. IDK how anyone expects me to run the line out, fire it up, run back to the handle and strap in while it’s reeling in cable.

The person operating the winch throttles it up and when the rider lets go as he approaches the machine, the operator hits the brake. The Torque converter acts as a centrifugal clutch, so when the operator hits the brake, the drum is no longer driven by the motor. (I’m working on a parallel project which is using an RF transmitter in the pull handle to modulate the throttle/engage the brake… this will allow 1 person operation)

However, the thing I was talking about disengaging the drum is something totally different. Since the chainring adds a 1:6 ratio, friction in the chain, as well as having to overcome the inertia of the driven torque converter pulley apparently make pulling out the cable quite a pain in the ass, especially if you have to swim the cable out… The only solution to this problem that I have seen is basically removing a clevis from the drum allowing it to freely rotate on the axle… However, this requires opening the cover, pulling the pin, etc.

I have already designed a foot actuated sprocket disengage system (you can see what will eventually hold the pedal sticking out of the right side of the machine). You just stomp on the pedal and the winch line will pull out easily, then release it to engage the drum again. There is nothing like that on the market currently. I hope to add some sexiness into the design as well to set it apart from other manufacture’s setups…

Just get a snowmobile to pull you?

Higher speeds
The snowmobile can go almost anywhere (Assuming this set up will have its limitations on where it can go)
No one has to run a line to you time and time again
Any POS sled will pull you for a pretty cheap cost
The sled can then take you back to the start vs. walking
Better bigger jumps/drops with better landings

Here are some parts views of the spool clutch:

Engaged

Disengaged

Side of the spool:

The drive assy:

The balk ring:

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There is a clutch type fork that disengages the balk ring.

Will you have any sort of protection for the engine or critical parts from the water flinging off the cable as it reels in?

There’s really no need.

this is for places where its not practical or legal to have a snowboard