DAMN!!!
People were giving me such a hard time when I suggested a 4g63 as a replacement unit in an S-13. After all, you can get rwd tranny to fit. Etc…
Anyway…this car made so much power that they couldn’t dyno it off the fronts(it kept trying to jump off and spinning etc), so they disconnected the front and just made it rwd for the test. So the power actually turns the corner twice(big drivetrain loss for 2wd).
Still, I have yet to see an SR anywhere make this kind of power.
Just disgusting!!
Rob
theres alot of cases of 4g63’s runnign massive horsepower, but there completely unreliable, sure u may not see that kinda horsepower from a sr, but also u dont see ANYWHERE close to the failures that u do with the 4g63. If you want a race car to use once or twice a month or somethign then ya(and even then ull still be fixing it all the time), but if u wanna actually drive the car, its a bad choice.
^^^ Is that you in your avatar?? Are you for real??Which “JDM Tite Yo” mag did you read that shit in??
The main problem with people breaking DSMs that they make power for very little money. So people take shortcuts and ‘meat-ball’ their way through upgrades.
My old 1G cost me less(mind you I did the work myself) than most of you can buy an SR20det with harness and computer(and was probably faster…no joke). Only failure I had was an alternator issue.
How are 6-bolt 4g63 unreliable(don’t talk of 7bolts)?? The rules are simple… if you’re going to make more than 250, then get rid of the balance shafts.
If you knew 2/5 of SFA about engine construction then you’d realize that you made a bad call on the “completely unreliable” part. I’m interested in seeing what kind of reliability any little engine has when pushed.
actually i’ve known about 20 people who have dumped piles of money into DSM’s, not to mention i followed the DSMtalk forums for like 3 years, and the overbearingly large trend was them breaking down. Stock or modified, DSM’s are well known to be unreliable. Go around to mechanics in your town, ask them there opinion on the reliability of talons/lasers/eclipses, and there gonna tell you they make alot of money off there owners. Im not just some ricer that read it in some magazine, my original intention before i even looked into 240’s(or really knew of them for that matter) was to buy a 92 talon with a 6 bolt top and 4 bolt bottom(i think thats what it was, been about 5 years), and build it up, but after researching into them, asking around, making friends with some DSM owners and watching there struggle with theres, i opted out and moved on.
And if there so much better, heres an idea, get off our boards, head on over to DSMtalk and stay there, dont come over to our forums and start banging on the Sr20, the 4g63 is without a doubt more capable to produce huge amounts of horsepower, but it will NEVER be as reliable as an SR, simple as that.
if you haven’t seen an sr with that much power i think you should look a bit harder. why would you want a 4g63 in a s-13 any way would cost you a s**t load to get it in if your gonna do a crazy custom install at least do a 2jz-gte. but if you want to do it i say go for it
4G63’s are very capible power plants. I owned a 91 Talon TSI in the past, but let it go because my girlfriend hated the car. I was stupid fast and hookup was unbelievable, but I couldn’t bare another tranny swap (broke 2 trannies). Also, my transfer case actually blew up on the 401, and luckily no one was hurt. This was before I found out about the recall.
Dollar for dollar, you can’t beat a Talon/Eclipse vs 240SX SR/KA-T. For the money you spend swapping in an engine into the 240, you’d have a bulletproof and fairly reliable DSM.
But in the end, it always comes to $$$ = greatest power.
Look at the video again, did any of you realize the one thing? this guy is shifting gears! who the hell shifts gears on a Wheel Dyno?! that 821 is not a correct reading! The type of Dyno hes using will give you a horsepower reading in 1st gear. I didnt believe 821 as soon as I heard his engine. Ive seen 500Hp cars fly off dynos, and they had monstorous sounding engines, this talon is a fart can.
1st Gen motors didn’t have the notorious crankwalk problems. But the 91-93 had crappy lifters, and even crappier transmissions.
Shifting into a higher gear will result in more accurate readings. Doing a 1st gear run might result in too much slippage. Most people will do either a 3rd or 4th gear pull. Whichever will get gear ratio is closest to 1:1 or safer.
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when u get on a dyno, u slowly shift through the gears until your in the proper gear for the test… that’s when the dynograph starts… usually from around 2000rpm until redline.
90 until march 92 had the 6 bolt engine, the 7 bolt engine was introduced in in april, both the 6 and 7 bolt seemed to have suffered from lifter noise. And the transmissions werent to bad, not great, but not bad. The main thing to watch for was the transfer case, which there was a recall on until 98, but because it was a safety related recall they are covered for life under the warrenty. Also you want to get an AWD version pre-95 because they had the stronger 4 bolt rear before they changed to the 3 bolt.
