Obama: Car related

[Darkstar]

@OLDS ROCKETMAN

actually i hope they move to strictly electric cars…that way i can get gas for my 30 year old hunks of shit for like 50 cents a gallon.

sure in theory it sounds nice to have cars more efficient but where does it stop at before you know it they got hemi cudas in crushers…The point is, how do you know the fairy isn’t a crazy glue sniffer? “Building model airplanes” says the little fairy; well, we’re not buying it. He sneaks into your house once, that’s all it takes. The next thing you know, there’s money missing off the dresser, and your daughter’s knocked up. I seen it a hundred times.

A model airplane glue sniffing fairy broke into your house and knocked up your sister?

:eek3:

[OLDS_ROCKETMAN]

@Darkstar

A model airplane glue sniffing fairy broke into your house and knocked up your sister?

:eek3:

yup, i’ll be uncle bob on aug 16th

[steelcitysix]

WOW just WoW…the lunacy on this forum is unreal

[starboy]

@Quik83Z

Just thinking about this shit makes me want to

I hope all the little faggots on here that voted for him are happy when we are all driving gay little smarte cars…

Yup agreed, who even makes descent looking cars that get good mpg?

Lets not even go into the speed / hp area with these cars in question. Its just a shame… Who wants to move forward? Make better quality cars for your hard earned money… Hell last I checked this was still 1980…

Feel free not to check this link out. http://www.teslamotors.com/, < Just shows you how dumb these auto makers are now a days.

Oh not to mention “Tesla” is rumored to be bringing a couple cars here to Pittsburgh for some test drives for consumers. I hope this happens, I can’t wait to look at these so called “automobiles” with disgust.

[Swarzkopf]

I said 1850, not 1857.

The Tesla Roadster is sweet.

[kilmer420]

@fshowcars

broski, it was an issue, read the second paragraph of your link:

“But senior Republicans said the plan was unfair to struggling U.S.-based auto companies that depend on sales of less efficient sport utility vehicles and pickups.”

hell, they wanted to help the failing US big three! Republicans don’t want to limit emissions… how would they drive around texas in their big old caddys with longhorns on the hood?

“Environmental and consumer organizations, as well as some powerful lawmakers in the Democratic-controlled Congress, say reducing gas use is the quickest way to cut fuel use.”

wow, they did a great job helping the big three, to the point where they are bankrupt and that was without cafe imposed standards

“We need to make sure we are fair across the board to all manufacturers. There are some inherent disadvantages, especially on the truck issue,” said Sen. Trent Lott of Mississippi.

Last time I checked this guy was a Rep, right? What is all this fairness BS when all you guys seem to enjoy is free markets rah rah? Let these companies fail is all I heard in the last auto thread I was reading.

@Mike@OSTdyno.com

When I saw the cover of USA Today and read this I thought for sure I was reading “Atlas Shrugged”!

An avid Ayn Rand reader are you? :LOL:

The national govrmt already has imposed a lot of this stuff. Be glad you aren’t ULEV like California.

[Sinner6.0L]

obviously there’s going to be unrest on a car forum. but for the 95% of the public that sees cars as a form of transportation only it really doesn’t matter

and yeah i will agree with the fact that the gov’t does have a tendency to get involved with a lot of shit anymore, but they have to or it won’t be long before someone takes advantage of a good situation

[Jeff95TA]

@Darkstar

because both the consumer and manufacturers are too fucking stupid to get it on their own. And again I say, the A in CAFE stands for AVERAGE. You can still have some gas hogs, you just have to balance them out with higher efficiency models in other classes. Vettes get like 30mpg so don’t even whine about sports cars being on the road to extinction. If this keeps Suzy Q. Soccermom from buying a fucking land yacht to truck her one kid to and from school and her own fat ass to and from the mall, then good… fuck her!

Then I say take it one step further. If you buy or own a vehicle that is rated less than the new CAFE standard, impose a yearly fee on that vehicle, kind of like a recurring gas guzzler tax. I don’t know, something like $100 for every mpg under the standard. That would encourage people to not only buy more effiecient vehicles, but to get rid of the ones they have. What’s the rating on your Vette?

Or as an option, you can work off your fee by riding a bicycle attached to a big generator that dumps electricity to the power grid. That would help with the national obesity prolem too. If we go to electric cars, California is going to need it. Can you imagine the brownouts with all the cars plugged in? Maybe we could wipe out Beverly Hills and have Westinghouse build several nuclear plants. Now there’s a stimulus package the engineers would like.

I wonder if this is a hybrid.

[77rednecktruck]

@Darkstar"

Um, what the fuck about this thread are you not understanding? they ARE upping the CAFE standards… Thats the whole point of the thread.

The environmental thing is a nice plus, but the real money maker on the deal is the national security aspect. Do you know what would happen if Russia, Iran, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, etc. were to up and decide that they are no longer going to sell us any of their oil? $4.50 gasoline would seem like the bargain of the century. It would go up to $20 per gallon, there would be huge shortages, riots, looting, the economy would grind to a fucking halt, etc.

Do YOU feel comfortable having the countries mentioned above having us by the balls? I don’t. If we could increase the average MPG of all vehicles by a 1 or 2 MPG is would be a HUGE impact on the disparity between foreign and domestic oil.

Moron.

I understand the thread. I understand they are trying to up the cafe standards. I understand that making cars more efficient is better than making them less efficient. What I don’t understand is why the gov has to spend more of our money to make it happen when simple supply and demand will take care of the problem.

If gas goes up too high because people are buying gas guzzlers then they will look for more efficient cars. There, problem solved without wasting even more money from the government.

[OLDS_ROCKETMAN]

so wont the next lee harvey please stand up…please stand up

[fshowcars]

@kilmer420

wow, they did a great job helping the big three, to the point where they are bankrupt and that was without cafe imposed standards

“We need to make sure we are fair across the board to all manufacturers. There are some inherent disadvantages, especially on the truck issue,” said Sen. Trent Lott of Mississippi.

Last time I checked this guy was a Rep, right? What is all this fairness BS when all you guys seem to enjoy is free markets rah rah? Let these companies fail is all I heard in the last auto thread I was reading.

that’s the point… how can you impose a standard that doesn’t take into account that a versa and a full-size towing pickup are bred for two largely different reasons. he’s asking how can someone make a single MPG demand and apply it across the board? the auto companies are failing and should. it’s not the governments responsibility to keep companies in business, i never thought that and never will. they ‘helped’ the auto makers by not voting for these rules… it wasn’t their job to keep them in business, like the garbage bailout.

[Darkstar]

@77rednecktruck

I understand the thread. I understand they are trying to up the cafe standards. I understand that making cars more efficient is better than making them less efficient. What I don’t understand is why the gov has to spend more of our money to make it happen when simple supply and demand will take care of the problem.

If gas goes up too high because people are buying gas guzzlers then they will look for more efficient cars. There, problem solved without wasting even more money from the government.

How is the government making a rule that the car companies produce slightly more efficient cars costing the government money?

[kilmer420]

@fshowcars

that’s the point… how can you impose a standard that doesn’t take into account that a versa and a full-size towing pickup are bred for two largely different reasons. he’s asking how can someone make a single MPG demand and apply it across the board? the auto companies are failing and should. it’s not the governments responsibility to keep companies in business, i never thought that and never will. they ‘helped’ the auto makers by not voting for these rules… it wasn’t their job to keep them in business, like the garbage bailout.

Read the next few paragraphs of the same article:

@reuters

The proposal to reform the 30-year-old Corporate Average Fuel Economy (CAFE) program would require that the nation’s fleet of passenger cars and light trucks – SUVs, minivans and pickups – improve fuel efficiency by 4 percent annually. Changes would begin in 2011 and the fleet would have to average 35 miles per gallon by 2020.

Four percent gains would be expected annually after that but no longer-term target was set. The Transportation Department would set mileage formulas for vehicle classes, based on weight and size. The agency could reduce targets if it concludes manufacturers would be hurt financially, a clause that outraged consumer and environmental groups but gave industry little comfort.

Light trucks must currently get 24 mpg by 2011 while cars must average 27.5 mpg. The truck standard was changed last year. The passenger car standard has been the same since 1990.

Here is the one from Fox News you posted:

@fox news

WASHINGTON – With two of Detroit’s Big Three automakers no longer able to resist, the Obama White House will announce sped-up fuel economy standards that will require all auto-makers, including Detroit’s foreign competitors, to increase fleet fuel efficiency by 5 percent per year starting in 2012.

For 2016 – the final year new the rules will apply – the fleet fuel efficiency standard for all domestically sold passenger cars will be 39 mpg. It will be 30 mpg for all domestically sold light trucks and sport utility vehicles. The average of these two equals a passenger car and light truck fuel efficiency standard of 35.5 mpg. The current requirements are 27.5 mpg for cars and 23.1 mpg or trucks. The tighter standards will first affect the 2011 model year for cars and trucks.

FLEET they say, not all vehicles must be 35mpgs or whatever arbitrary number they use. So, they say 4 or 5% increases per vehicle type.

[fshowcars]

oh yeah… i get it. If put into perspective it’s not a huge huge problem… make the corvette that gets 8mpg and make the <insert crap car i don’t know> that gets 40mpg and average it.

I guess my point is moreso that it’s the start of something ugly. National government intervention into cars being sold in the US and A… moving forward DOT inspection might not be the only legality when bringing over cars non-us produced. Also what happens when the FLEET increase in MPG works so well that they move on to tackle all the ‘old’ cars out there? just an ugly road to start traveling in my opinion. :gives:

[77rednecktruck]

@Darkstar

How is the government making a rule that the car companies produce slightly more efficient cars costing the government money?

when has the gov done anything that doesn’t cost more money?

the government needs to keep the fuck out of private business.

@fshowcars

oh yeah… i get it. If put into perspective it’s not a huge huge problem… make the corvette that gets 8mpg and make the <insert crap car i don’t know> that gets 40mpg and average it.

I guess my point is moreso that it’s the start of something ugly. National government intervention into cars being sold in the US and A… moving forward DOT inspection might not be the only legality when bringing over cars non-us produced. Also what happens when the FLEET increase in MPG works so well that they move on to tackle all the ‘old’ cars out there? just an ugly road to start traveling in my opinion. :gives:

totally agree. the gov getting it’s hands into private business is not the way to go.

[kilmer420]

@77rednecktruck

totally agree. the gov getting it’s hands into private business is not the way to go.

you keep repeating yourself, like we didn’t get it the first time…GOV intervention of emissions/inspections has been around for a long long time and for the most part it’s only been a good thing…how many rust buckets are there in Ohio and Florida where there are no emissions standards…so the GOV actually isn’t doing ish they make the state deal with this issue…so stop with your :blah: they aren’t in private business to begin with (not counting the bailout now), there needs to be some regulation the market doesn’t just take care of itself…go read what Greenspan talked about late last year about the market collapse, that should explain a lot to you…

@fshowcars

oh yeah… i get it. If put into perspective it’s not a huge huge problem… make the corvette that gets 8mpg and make the <insert crap car i don’t know> that gets 40mpg and average it.

I guess my point is moreso that it’s the start of something ugly. National government intervention into cars being sold in the US and A… moving forward DOT inspection might not be the only legality when bringing over cars non-us produced. Also what happens when the FLEET increase in MPG works so well that they move on to tackle all the ‘old’ cars out there? just an ugly road to start traveling in my opinion. :gives:

man is darkstain going to love this vette reference…they get 30mpg’s according to him but all the 09 models with the 6.2 motor get 26mpg in reality terms

it would only be good if they bring foreign cars and make them have higher standards, that’s what I see being argued here to begin with…we can’t compete so let’s make the rules harder on non us models

all the old cars will be grandfathered in, that’s how the GOV deals with that stuff, like guns for instance, but let’s not get onto another topic…

i think it’s good, because it’ll make the automakers create alternative fuel cars (hopefully not ethanol that’s not a good long term idea and probalby not even short term actually) meaning electric like the volt and diesels will make a resurrection unless we come up with something else that will be affordable? hydrogen?

[Swarzkopf]

the government needs to keep the fuck out of private business.

Great idea! Let’s bring back the 12-hour workday, the 7-day work week, child labor, mandatory debt employment, and the Great Depression. Because they all really worked out well the first time around.

[RagingSun]

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[fshowcars]

yeah… top gear did that with an m3. it’s not like both cars are flat out hammered on the gas, so it makes sense… right? what is funny to is that the guy says that he was idling in a stick car thus saving fuel, but in reality when you transmission brake a stick car you aren’t firing the injectors, but at idle you are. so they are retards.

[vw16vcabby]

best is jerkoffs in the prius who stop light race you. im pretty sure a prius on 70 or 79 doing 85 mph is not efficent. i think my honda or whatever i drive that day is more.