LOL yeah those first couple of paragraphs were easily the worst thing I’ve ever read on BGR. It didn’t get much better once he stopped talking about how it’s not warm and fuzzy.
He sounds worse than nerds that comment on their posts
I was going to say, does he not know about Longpress or just doesn’t like to do it cuz it’s not how he’s used to doing it on the iPhone?
I don’t want a phone that hugs me and knows when I take a shit and has a copy of “Project Car” ready for me and then hands me a roll of shit tickets. I want a phone I can email, text message, check internet, pay/view bills online, social network, etc etc. I don’t need a warm fuzzy buddy buddy phone to do that. I’m not a chick. Jesus, tell that guy to grow a fucking pair.
I might be getting mine a bit sooner than my ne2. My girl’s phone keeps shitting out. She’s willing to buy me the Droid so I can give her my Dare. At least then her phone won’t restart during every fucking call.
Anyone jump ship for the Nexus One? Curious to read reviews as I’m looking forward to the verizon version of this in the spring.
OUCH
yeah thats a bit high!
they must have a really unusual contract with tmobile.
IN ADDITION TO carrier’s ETF? Holy shit that is retarded.
well, the only thing I can think of is that as the manu. of this, and that they are selling / activating directly, they arent making any money selling the device to tmobile, and they are banking on commission from activations.
if you deactivate, they get charged back on the commissions, plus they take a hardware hit, where the carrier really isnt out anything except potential operational costs.
still pretty ballsy though.
OK, I see what you are saying.
So that argument changes things up a bit though. I was under the impression that the ETF was in place so that carriers were protected against people buying subsidized phones and then cancelling and selling the phone for profit (huge loss to the carrier). So if T-Mobile doesn’t handle the phone sale, or take a loss on the phone to get you into a contract, do they have the right to charge an ETF? IMO, unless the carrier stands to lose money on a subsidized phone sale, they don’t have the right to charge an ETF.
so, generally speaking, the carriers buy the handsets from the manuf. manuf. makes a profit.
when the manuf is selling the hardware to the end user themselves, and processing activations, im sure they are making a bit on the “retail” or unlocked cost, but generally taking a hit on the subsidized cost in order to get paid that commission. If tmobile is not handling the hardware, their liability is much less.
now, heres where it gets stupid. if you cancel within 180 days, the carriers charge back the commission they paid. (180 days is the industry standard). Plus, they charge the end user an ETF. Now, i dont want to say the carriers make money when you cancel, but they certainly recoup a lot of their costs associated with customer service, activating a number, maintaining a number pool, etc, etc.
So, again, when they dont handle the hardware, their liability is a lot less.
So here is google, selling the hardware direct to the end user, making a few points up front on unlocked sales, and taking the risk that the customer isnt going to cancel within 180 days on the subsidized sales. Activations are where the money is at, so the commission is normally worth the risk.
when you cancel, they dont get that commission, so they take a hit on the hardware. I’d assume the $350 is ~ the difference to get them back up to cost + a small amount of profit for their trouble.
It sucks, but the carriers have a stronghold on the industry. want to see some of the most stuck up companies that wont play the part of a partner as much as a competitor to their partners? Look at wireless carriers.
It is really is mind-bottling when you think about it. Now that Verizon has upted there ETF’s to $350, paying $700 in an ETF is quite rediculous for a cell phone.
well, keep in mind they are only selling it on tmo right now and the policy might be different for VZW…
Nice. In conjunction with the article I read last night about TMo customer’s having problems getting 3G reception and getting absolutely NO help from TMo or HTC, this makes me wonder what vzw’s going to do about it if they decide to carry it. I wonder if the problems will be the same or if it’s just TMo’s network. One guy complained that he couldn’t keep 3G on his Nexus when his G1 was doing just fine on it right next to him.
The carriers have no responsibility to test the device if it is an open network.
You bought the phone from google, call google with your issues.
I was also reading reviews about the Eris vs Droid last night and I was starting to think if the Eris was better, until I recalled a member here saying that the battery life sucked and they were returning it. Eris also does not run the most current version of Android, which affects another bit of software running on it. It also does not have the turn-by-turn directions, or the same version?
I’m also wondering why the Droid does not have a multi-touch screen, yet the Eris does. I really want something w/out a keyboard but I also want the current software, so I’ll put up with the keyboard and lack of multi-touch, just for the most current version of Android.
What’s the apps update? What are people using? What are new ones they like? Any good wallet apps?
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True but people were calling both google, TMo and HTC and they were referred to one or the other, with no clear answers. HTC and Google would say it’s the network, so call TMo. TMo would say the network is fine, so call Google/HTC, and so on. Lots of frustrated customers.
I love my Motorola Droid! I’m actually using it to type this.
the droid does have a multi-touch screen but the built-in apps don’t support it
My friend has the eris and I have the droid, and the difference in OS makes a huge world of difference. I am not very app savy, as all I really use is the navigator and games, but the market seems to be constantly updated with new stuff.
I still don’t understand why the recent android phones have the ability to use multi touch but they just don’t have it enabled yet the ones relesed in europe do. It doesn’t make any sense to me at all.