Pti

[Darkstar]

@whitey

its just part of life, when you start anything you have more rule and as you go on things loosen up.

in the beginning of college they cared because they wanted to get you in the habit of going to class. by junior year they could care less as long as you knew the stuff and you were there for the important stuff. by that time you love your major so you make sure to go to class cause its interesting.

its the same thing with work now… same exact situation! so maybe all the college bullshit is just prepping you for life?

look at your job now mike, when you first started you were a peon. you had to be there on time for every shift. now you have some clout cause you have matured in the company. seems like your job is pretty lax now as long as you get it done. but the catch is, you actually like to be there now! yeah just like college

i agree with your analogy. I know the structure and self-discipline that you pick up along the way is a very vital part of the college experience. But I dont think that experience is exclusive to college. I think its just a part of growing up and you will pick it up eventually, or you end up living in a van down by the river. I failed miserably in RMU’s “prepping me for life” program, but I worked my way up from being an off the street applicant for a desk clerk position to the Recreation Director and Pool Operations Manager in a year and a half. And I busted my ass to get it. I asked to be trained as a night auditor even though they had two long term people already doing it, as a just in case thing. A month later one of them gets fired and I step right in. Then I outlasted the supervisor and got that position. Ive covered countless shifts, worked late, came in early, worked all summer 6 days a week working every shift at least once, chaffeured the limo, drove the shuttle bus tons of times for special events, make runs to BWI in the van to pick up or drop off, and ive never called off work for any reason since I started in Sept 03. But my bosses were always straight up with me and said that if your smart, work hard and that stuff that there is lots of room for advancement within the company.

So I dont think its a college thing so much as a life thing that people hit in their post high school out on their own years. College certainly does a good job of teaching it, i just think that they could do it in 6 semesters instead of 8, and out of those 6 semseters have 5 that are all on your major. Kids shouldnt have to sit through 2 years of pointless general studies nonesense just to see if they can make it before they can start to learn about what they actually want (and are paying lots of money) to learn.

[whitey]

@Darkstar

i agree with your analogy. I know the structure and self-discipline that you pick up along the way is a very vital part of the college experience. But I dont think that experience is exclusive to college. I think its just a part of growing up and you will pick it up eventually, or you end up living in a van down by the river. I failed miserably in RMU’s “prepping me for life” program, but I worked my way up from being an off the street applicant for a desk clerk position to the Recreation Director and Pool Operations Manager in a year and a half. And I busted my ass to get it. I asked to be trained as a night auditor even though they had two long term people already doing it, as a just in case thing. A month later one of them gets fired and I step right in. Then I outlasted the supervisor and got that position. Ive covered countless shifts, worked late, came in early, worked all summer 6 days a week working every shift at least once, chaffeured the limo, drove the shuttle bus tons of times for special events, make runs to BWI in the van to pick up or drop off, and ive never called off work for any reason since I started in Sept 03. But my bosses were always straight up with me and said that if your smart, work hard and that stuff that there is lots of room for advancement within the company.

So I dont think its a college thing so much as a life thing that people hit in their post high school out on their own years. College certainly does a good job of teaching it, i just think that they could do it in 6 semesters instead of 8, and out of those 6 semseters have 5 that are all on your major. Kids shouldnt have to sit through 2 years of pointless general studies nonesense just to see if they can make it before they can start to learn about what they actually want (and are paying lots of money) to learn.

make your own college, and will see how it goes.

i am glad that i took those pointless classes, i learned something in each of those pointless classes. its all what you make of it. I am certainly glad i am a little more well rounded because of those pointless classes. I think your perspective would be different if you completed college.

we have had this arguement countless times, and until i either lose my college degree or you obtain a college degree then we will never be on the same plain of discussion

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what did i start??lol

[Darkstar]

@whitey

make your own college, and will see how it goes.

i am glad that i took those pointless classes, i learned something in each of those pointless classes. its all what you make of it. I am certainly glad i am a little more well rounded because of those pointless classes. I think your perspective would be different if you completed college.

we have had this arguement countless times, and until i either lose my college degree or you obtain a college degree then we will never be on the same plain of discussion

dont get me wrong, im not saying the gen ed classes are totally pointless, Im just questioning whether they were worth the $32,000 that RMU charged you. Thats a lot of scrilla. Thats a sizeable downpayment on a house. Thats a brand new R32. :dunno:

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i think alot of ppl would tend to agree w/ Darkstar on this. i cant say from my own experience as i went to PTI and every class basically pertained to my major, but alot of my friends have the same views as what Darkstar is saying. are the core classes totaly pointless, no…but at the same time for the money you pay out, not worth it. i’d rather get right into classes that fit my major for the money it costs to go to school.