The Mossberg Model 500 is the only shotgun to pass the US Army’s Mil-Spec 3443E test, “a brutal and unforgiving torture test with 3,000 rounds of full power 12 gauge buckshot”
I personally have the 590 model which was designed for the military. It even has a bayonet lug. People will argue all day long which is better, the Mossberg 500 or the Remington 870 and both are great shotguns. But it looks like the Mossberg edges out the Remington in reliability.
I have a Mosberg 500 and I’m happy with it. Walked in, bought it with a pistol grip on it, and walked out with it. Then I went to Walmart for cheap ammo. I ended up getting a butt stock for it because I’m the oddball that shows up to a range and shoots skeet with a pump action shotgun. 
Close but for shotguns, it has to have an 18" barrel.
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People will argue all day long which is better, the Mossberg 500 or the Remington 870 and both are great shotguns. But it looks like the Mossberg edges out the Remington in reliability.
exactly, that is why i own both!
I just bought an '09 Remington 1100 Tactical, which is an autoloading 12-ga. with a pistol grip and extra capacity magazine in Buffalo. Legally, at a store in Lockport
This exact shotgun.
Not true.
Best deals seem to be at guns stores just opening, tossing good deal out there. I’m kicking my self for walking out on a SX3 for $850. Never hurts to have extra
Funny, I had this in my favs…(start at 3:45 to skip gayness)
Really? you might want to read the NFA (national firearms act) which states a short barrelled shotgun is one that is less than 18", and requires a tax stamp for owning one.
Stolen quote "The overall length and barrel length of shotguns and rifles is regulated under the N.F.A or National Firearms Act of 1938.
Under federal law a Shotgun must have a Barrel length of at least 18" and an overall length of 26"
A Rifle must have a 16" barrel and an overall length of 26"
This was intended to prevent shotguns and rifles from being easily concealable.
Rifles and shotguns with a barrel shorter then the N.F.A requirements are heavily regulated and are refered to as N.F.A weapons or Class III weapons, they fall into the same catagory as Machine guns and suppressors (commonly if inaccurately known as “silencers”)
Under the National Firearms Act (NFA) it is illegal for a private citizen to possess a sawed-off modern smokeless powder shotgun (a barrel length less than 18 in. or 46 cm and an overall length less than 26 inches) without a tax-stamped permit from the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, which requires a background check and a $200.00 fee for every transfer.
^So anyone that passes the check can get one? Woah. Where exactly can I get one?
fist question what is your physical address?
I know you are close to NYC, and that makes all the difference in the world.
If you are outside of NYC you can set up a tub fed shot gun in pretty much any way you want. IF you keep the barrel over 18" and the over all length over 26" IIRC.
Yes it can have just a pistol grip if you follow the rules above, yes it can have a folding stock if you follow the rules above.
IMO a standard stock 8shot tube fed pump shotgun will be the best thing for you.
The pistol grip ones can create strange ergonomics esp the mossburgs safety on/off switch.
This does not apply to NY, NY does not do tax stamps, SBS and SBR’s are illegal for citizens to own in NYS period.
You guys have to remember NY still has the 94 awb in effect where as it expired in the rest of the country.
I have an 870 12Ga… Awesome shotgun.
And if you’re using it for home protection… there’s nothing more distinct than the sound of chambering a round in a 870.
so true, the only one that sounds more scary is the old winchester model 12’s.
The action is loud and angry yet soo smooth.
I have a Moss 500 and my buddy got an 870 marine finish. I got a screaming deal or else I’d have the 870 marine piece.
:word: that’s what keeps me wanting to pick up an 870 for the hell of it, those sales at Dicks for $249 on an 870 are always temping. No matter how hard I try I just can’t get my 11-87 to make that pump action sound 
almost had a stamp filed for a can when i lived in CT… then the plan to move back to buffalo which turned out to be a mistake for many reasons, this being one of them. it was hilarious at the range, walking from center there would be signs, no belt feds past this point, no full autos past this point. and the huge plastic tube full of foam egg shells you had to shot .50cal rifles through to deaden the noise. there would be a dozen personal safes inside the indoor ranges for people to store their belt fed weapons to save the efforts of transport to the outdoor range.
The 500 and 870 are both very good, very reliable guns. I have a mossberg 500. Ive never had any problems with it. As far as home defense, Don’t listen to people trying to tell you that buckshot is the way to go!! You want a low brass field load, preferably #6 or 7 shot. Low brass loads are devistating at close range, and will not cause a shot ton of collateral damage. Buckshot will go through a wall or 2 and can kill anyone standing on the other side. The enegery delivered from a low brass load is more than sufficient to fuck someone up.
copper jacketed, 9 pellets, .33" diameter each. One of these would knock anyone down for good. I understand your concern for collateral damage as these would penetrate walls like a rifle caliber. But I want to make damn sure if I have to actually use my shotty that even if the guy hides behind a wall I’m going drop him.