As a taxpayer, i don’t feel that city should be rebuilt the way it was on our dollar. How stupid was it to have a costal city under sea level? 13 levies!?!?!?! Thats insane. i feel for the good people and hope they are compensated generously but i say fuck N.O. and let it go. what If they rebuild and it happends again in 5 years? Learn from the mistake now.
that city is a trademark of the US they have to rebuild
so was the world trade center…
they can’t rebuild that city the same way. is like building a gas station in the middle of a burning forest.
I agree with you there.
no, not really.
Americans should have enough common sense to not make a residence area and develop businesses not related to coastline/maritime activites
- in an alluvial flood plain
- within 10 miles of any coastline known to have major storm surge
- in any area below sea level
As such, common sense dictates that we should NOT rebuild to it’s former glory, regardless of it’s historic value.
I’m not a big fan of the government telling people what to do w/r to property (the eminent domain case in particular), but maybe we should use eminent domain to steal the entire US coastline + 10 miles inland and prevent anyone from using this dangerous land for “permanent residential dwellings” or “commercial activities not related to coastline/maritime activities”?
That would certainly help prevent future tragedy on such a massive scale, but this is very invasive of our rights. Where do we, as Americans, draw the line on something like this?
thats a hilarious suggestion. The government stealing 10 miles of land along the entire coastline? pfffft. We let the terrorists win if we let their actions influence our lives, why should we let hurricanes do the same?
So what are you going to do with tornado alley? Natural disasters suck, people make them worse as in this instance (refusal to evacuate, asshole trying to turn it into a racial thing etc.) Shit with nature happens and its not going to change.
N.O. is a problem child due to it being below sea level, There isn’t anything that is going to change that.
Example last year this time, when it flooded up here. What are you going to do, have the city of pittsburgh pick up and move as well?
The limiting factor always seems to be the cost of properly engineering and building systems and structures. My closing statement “Where do we as Americans draw the line?” (in that context) meant “Where is the balance point between the cost in terms of money of rebuilding things every time they get destroyed versus enacting/using legislation to enforce a more sensible approach to residential arrangement?”
You make some valid points that a broad approach like the one brought up is heavy handed.
Structures have been designed which can withstand a tornado, but most don’t want to live in a concrete semi-subterranean shelter. Understanding the environment and designing around the disaster possibilities with the most robust structure possible instead of framing up sticks and getting them blown over/washed away year after year should be considered in all projects, yet are not considered due to cost and aesthetic considerations.
Agreed: short of permanent evacuation and deeming it uninhabitable it will continue to be a burden on us all until it is permanently underwater.
There are flood prone areas everywhere. The Mon wharf parking area traditionally gets it first (no permanent residence there). Carnegie, as far as I know, is not a traditional flood zone. The storm you mentioned was a freak occurrence which may happen from time to time. Carnegie had major problems because there was nowhere else for the water to go, so unforunately it found its way into people’s homes and shops. Am I suggesting we evacuate Carnegie and deem it uninhabitable? No. It should be a major wake up call to the civil engineers to re-evaluate the water and runoff handling systems.
and…
Noble, but, in one sense, the activities of everyone are affected by terrorist activities and natural disasters. Does the average person decide to vacation in a hurricane alley location during peak storm activity? Does the average person take vacations in Iraq? No, of course not. It would be a poor decision in both cases. Why risk these things? An adrenaline rush and some bragging rights aren’t worth the rewards of endangerment for most people, and those that choose to do so accept the consequences and risks.
All I was saying is al the engineering in the world has its weaknesses. Hurricanes have been going on longer then our existantce and they will continue to do so. The streathens will continue to fluctuate as well. How often does a storm like this happen in this area? Last one on record to do this much damage to a town was 1900 in galveston Texas.
Thats a lot better odds than playing sim city 
I live in a hurricane vulnerable location. I dont get much of an adrenaline rush. And I have no idea what the point of your statement is. By your logic, the entire state of California should be vacated. They’ve got fires, mudslides, earthquakes, tornadoes, Mexicans and TJZ28.
If sensible people don’t vacation there in times of strife, who in their right minds would want to live there all year?
As for the People’s Republik of Kalifornia, we have to let those who trade essential liberty for sun and bad politics have a place too, for now :stick:
i love California… it’s the anti-Texas.
only because in texas you would get the death penalty for butt-plugging 5 year old boys.
texas is probably best state in america for not taking any BS about much of anything.
bwahhh when was the last hurricane that hit ocean city maryland with the wind strength of a thunder storm in pittsburgh…hurricane prone my ass
in texas, they’d call you a fag for driving an Acura and string you up immediately.
this topic is beat
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(you should cut back on the porn)
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Hurricane Isabel 2003
Click for a larger map of Iris 2001 Click here for a larger image of IsabelA well-organized but slow moving tropical wave that exited the African coastline on September 1st developed into Tropical Storm Isabel on the morning of September 6th. Isabel became a hurricane on September 7th and rapidly intensified to Category 4 hurricane strength on the evening of the 8th while the eye was located more than 1100 miles to the east of the Leeward Islands. This impressive hurricane reached Category 5 strength on September 11th, making Isabel the strongest hurricane in the Atlantic basin since Mitch in October 1998. The cyclone turned northwestward around the western periphery of the Atlantic ridge beginning on the 15th. Isabel began to weaken on the 15th as conditions aloft became more hostile, and it fell below major hurricane strength for the first time in eight days on the 16th.
Although weakening, Isabel’s wind field continued to expand as hurricane warnings were issued for most of the North Carolina and Virginia coastline, including the Chesapeake Bay. Isabel’s large eye pushed ashore just after the noon hour on September 18th near Drum Inlet along North Carolina’s Outer Banks. Isabel was the worst hurricane to affect the Chesapeake Bay region since 1933. Storm surge values of more than 8 feet flooded rivers that flowed into the Bay across Virginia, Maryland, Delaware, and Washington, D.C. Isabel brought tropical storm force gusts as far north as New York State as it moved inland. The most intense hurricane of the 2003 season directly resulted in 17 deaths and more than 3 billion dollars in damages. The large wind field toppled trees and cut power to more than four million customers.
http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/HAW2/english/history.shtml#great
shut your mouth you fuckin tard