The gun debate

ORLY? What schools have you been to where a professor allows Wikipedia as a source? Oh, just some school you heard about on the internet? Oh ok, must be legit then. If you’re gonna argue that, at least have the decency to link me to Wiki’s source directly, not Wiki as a blanket source.

Another article about 10,000 yearly homicides.

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Also there are about 30,000 injuries by a gun that didn’t end in deaths. Don’t you think most of those homicides and discharges that didn’t kill are well a crime?

Then there are plenty of statistics which show that some of the most lenient gun law states have some of the highest gun related deaths per capita.

Not to mention the amount of US school shootings vs UK school shootings if you want to go deeper into that. No guns in UK no school shootings in UK. Guns in US resulted in around 147 school gun homicides in the last 10 years alone.

Vlad, I don’t know if you’re having reading comprehension issues, or just enjoy showing ignorance, but did I EVER say anything about homicide rates or gun crimes? No. I simply said violent crimes, which include homicide (which is the only crime you’re willing to look at statistics for), assault, robbery/burglary, etc… You’re trying to break it down further into one specific type of crime in which I’m not even trying to argue because that is not what the argument was about in the first place. Sure, the US has more murders and gun crimes and I’m sure that’s because we allow our citizens to have the freedom to own guns without jumping through too many hoops, but can it be proven? Nope.

Now before you go on, I’m all about looser gun laws, myself having as many guns as I want and for second amendment to defend myself but stating that Britain is more dangerous and has a higher crime rate because they don’t have guns is outrageous. Not to mention above you are solely trying to blame one party for these situations when it should be the entire government. Plenty of anti gun Republicans in history too.

I’d like to see where in this argument I said anything about blaming one political party for all of this. Oh, that’s right, because I didn’t. A for effort. F for execution. And also, because you are arguing that their violent crime rate has nothing to do with their gun laws, I’m assuming that you can PROVE it has nothing to do with them? Please, provide me proof from a legitimate source. Good luck in your search.

Unless you want to argue that yes, them not having guns is the source of all evil and you single handedly solved the problem of the entire countries crime rate - give them all guns, I’m sure all statistics will drop down to 0, because of course there are no violent states in the world where people have access to guns.

Russia also has a gun ban on private ownership so statistics should be similar to UK then no? While homicide rate in Britain is low, Russia is worse than US, 2 or 3 times over.

This whole issue is a bit more complicated than just blaming liberals for anti gun laws and saying guns make you safer. You’re starting to sound like a Alabama born guy with a wife/sister living in a trailer home.

Talking about the issue and fighting for a change to make gun laws disappear is one thing, but trying to point finger at somebody on this complicated issue as I hear many gun owners do isn’t helping anybody or isn’t true either. It’s about as smart as saying that Sun revolves around Earth, ignoring the complicated scientific equation that proves that wrong.

Did I ever say that if everyone had guns, there’d be no crime? Nope. Thanks for playing though. There will ALWAYS be crime, no matter how loose or strict gun ownership laws are. Just like you will always argue with people when you don’t fully understand the argument to begin with.

You’re a lost cause to argue with. You’re so stubborn and refuse to see any reason to compromise, and then when you realize you’re wrong, you try to turn the debate into something it isn’t.