Tell you what, let’s forget analogies all together since that’s distracting from the point. What some are saying is that Trump is supposed to represent ALL Americans. Americans that he has no way of relating to in any sense since his father’s success and, by extension, his own success have completely removed him from that part of reality.
He doesn’t know what it’s like to live paycheck to paycheck.
He doesn’t know what it’s like to start a small business, just barely scraping by.
He doesn’t know what it’s like to pick out a health care plan for his family and to wish you could afford better.
He doesn’t know what it’s like to wonder if he’ll be able to pay his employees one week. (Although he’s quite familiar with not paying people who have done work for him. One recent example with many more alleged.)
And he doesn’t seem to care.
All that said, does this person really have our best interests in mind? And if he does, has he the slightest clue how to address them? Time will tell, but I’m losing hope on this one.
And I get it, we all want people to be more independent and accountable for their own actions. But how about the millions of people that are trying their best but can’t get past their current level of success for a wide variety of reasons? You think any single person has the opportunity to become the CEO of a billion dollar business? That’s a lot of CEOs and no one doing the work. I’ll vote to help take care my fellow citizen, thanks. Nations thrive when everyone is working together and people give a shit about their neighbors near and far.
i don’t really buy into much of that arguement. not that you’re specifically wrong, but the president doesn’t have to be relatable to be effective.
i’m one who is perfectly fine with the salary gap between worker X and CEO. People who are qualified to make big boy decisions presumably made decisions and implemented at various levels on the way up to big boy status. These people are rare and the stakes are high. Trump is no different. Maybe he didnt have to start at zero but I don’t feel a ton of pride for having started at zero and i dont only relate to or have confidence in people who started where i did.
I think Obama’s appeal is that he is relatable. In reality, IMO, he was an awful President. Taught me that being relatable should not be taken into account for Presidency. Being relatable doesn’t mean they will do a good job.
I hate the idea that people have that the president needs to be someone who you could be friends with. He doesn’t need to be super formal, like gays, blacks, women, etc…
The president needs to be someone who isn’t afraid to get shit done that will benefit the country, no matter what costs he might endure. He needs to be aware of the enemies and what they’re up to. If that means surrounding himself with advisers to accomplish this so be it. If he needs to hire a lady that is known for running great charter schools and who is willing to reform a failing public school system, so be it.
Somewhere along the way, these millennial’s have decided they have this image of what their president should be and the majority of America, that mattered during the election anyways, decided what they wanted their president to be and made it happen.
No one was saying that the president needs to be relatable. I hate Donald J Trump as a person but that has nothing to do with whether or not I think he’ll do a good job. The discussion was about how people don’t understand the world around them due to their sheltered upbringing. No one disagrees with @bing’s post about kids being overly protected but somehow don’t think that Trump is the epitome of that on a grand scale. He doesn’t have to be relatable, but he needs to know how to relate to the people he represents. There is a difference.
I guess my statement was more of a generalized statement from what I’ve seen during the election.
I don’t think you’ll ever have a president that relates to everyone. Obama had all the lower class wrapped around his finger with his financial programs, yet the middle class disliked him because they felt the brunt of the burden of those programs.
Trump isn’t going to make everyone happy, but I’m willing to bet that he will make the hard decisions that this country has prolonged for sometime.
All in all, I get why you don’t like Trump, but I think that part appealed to the people looking for a shake up in Washington.
His big mouth would be a lot more valuable if he didn’t just make shit up all the time. I bought into the idea of him shaking things up too but right now that’s one of my biggest problems with him. You can’t take anything he says seriously.
The further along this gets it just seems like more of the same self benefiting GOP with someone less diplomatic at the helm. There will be people that make out bigly because of this administration, but I don’t think it will be anyone in this thread. I really want to be wrong on this.
Here the way I see it. If Hilldog got elected, there would have been an onslaught of programs rolled out that would have cost us more money and benefited us less. If Trump won, we would see certain people benefit from him and at least he wouldn’t roll out a bunch of programs that offer free benefits to the “victims” of this country.
In both scenarios, the middle class shoulders the burden, different people benefit and the other side is unhappy.
This is going to sound very sexist on my part, but I’d rather take 4-8 years of Trump’s agenda than listen to Hillary pro women agenda and them trying to level the playing field for everyone.
I honestly feel that’s why so many people are upset about this election. They were so close to having someone in office that could complete the ‘make everyone equal’ campaign and now they know that isn’t going to happen. If you don’t want to work, you will get left behind.
Wanting equality is unrealistic. The truth is, people are not equal. It’s sad, but it’s true.
It’s like going to Disney World.
Everyone who complains and wants to throw themselves around is in Fantasyland right now. The only problem is it’s preventing them from being contributing members of society in Tomorrowland.
I can’t fathom how anyone with any familiarity with him, or who listened to him throughout the campaign didn’t feel this way all along.
His campaign was riddled with mutually exclusive promises, mostly ignoring the root cause of some of campaign issues. Like expanding domestic natural gas and bringing back coal mining. It’s economically impossible to do that. The reason coal isn’t viable as an energy source is cheap natural gas. Scrapping free trade as a means of bringing back manufacturing, what about the millions of US jobs dependent on exports to those countries(industrial and agricultural)? It’s all a fantasy. There’s other means of protecting those sorts of jobs without expanding corporate welfare, like Pence did for Carrier, or scrapping trade deals that would otherwise negatively impact other industries.
He’s a spoiled child, always has been, always will be. He excels at marketing, I’ll give him that.
That’s par for the course for the GOP. Some folks might make out on some investments in the short term, but I don’t see much in the way of viable long term gain for the average American. That said, I really hope he proves me wrong too.
Tossing an insult at me? Want me to insult you as well?
Nations thrive when everyone is working together, lol. Oh really? We already do a lot to help each other and you’ll hear how one group gets too much while other groups get nothing.
In jest, my friend. The tone of that comment probably doesn’t translate well to text. It was more of a ‘right back at you’ to people constantly talking down the liberal base with the same type of terms. (Which has been an ongoing topic here recently.) Not directed specifically at you. :tup:
Care to elaborate on that? I’m not sure what you’re getting at.
Look at how much we spend helping people right now with social programs. Welfare, HEAP, tuition assistance, Section 8 housing, EBT cards, etc, etc, .Then look at how well we treat our veterans that need help. Some get no help, others have to wait months-years.
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Worse than that is how much money we send all over the world. Obama gave Iran 1.3B in CASH. A country in our debt can not afford to act like the saviors of the planet. That money could have fixed so many broken and desperate programs at home. The VA, Flint, infrastructure upgrades etc…
@joelster This debate happens a lot and the same points are made over and over. There is a constant backlash on our social programs with the argument that the money could go to helping our veterans, paying down the deficit, etc. The money needed doesn’t need to be taken away from social programs. WE CAN DO BOTH. There are so many examples of wasteful spending but I just don’t see social programs as a waste. Poorly managed? Yes, for sure. But to think our own citizens deserve less because our systems suck is something I can’t understand from people. If you lost your job and couldn’t find work would you think welfare was such a bad idea? Or do you think we just use it too much? What should we do about people who can’t find work for long stretches of time?
@tpgsr I agree with that. To be honest, I’m not sure what would help here. We have a global responsibility and a lot of allies that depend on us. It’s certainly a strange place to be and I’m sure there is a lot more money going over seas that we don’t even know about.
I did. Moved here for a just a year when I was 10. Went back to Canada and then moved here permanently before my senior year of high school in 2001. I barely paid any attention to Canadian politics, though.