Distancing himself? He clearly doesn’t support racism or anything to do with the KKK, neo-nazis etc… A lot of the stuff that falls out of Trumps mouth is poorly thought out, sometimes comical. In this example, he pretty much said people on both sides are to blame, but there will be no support for any of the extreme groups specifically on the ‘right’ side, if you even want to call them that.
If someone angrily beats the fuck out of someone with a club because they don’t have the same belief as them, how is that different from taking action against another person because of their race/religion/sex? Is it worse if someone hates another group (even if its completely unreasonable) and marches on it, or is it worse if someone hates another group for a more plausible reason and takes action criminally against them?
If the ‘alt left’ (I fucking hate these names) was actually interested in finding a solution to this ‘epidemic’ of bigotry, they would first have to stop being bigots themselves. In any situation, violence is not going to make things better. The initial rally and extremists on the white supremacy side are insane and wrong no doubt, but clashing with them violently is only going to make things worse.
I honestly don’t know how Trump could unite the people on both sides at this point, seems like a lost cause. Those extremists did not get him into the white house, nor will they be the reason he goes back for a second term, its the ‘alt left’ that is tearing everyone apart.
At the end of the day I do believe that most people are not thinking in either of these ways, there is a middle ground, and those people are the ones who need to unite and hopefully help change the culure that has been brewing over the last few years.
I read the full transcript and I don’t see a problem with what he said. You can condemn white supremacists all you want, and we all should, but when you show up with bats with the intention to fight people who had a legal right to assemble, no matter how terrible their message was, both sides do have blame for the violence.
I honestly hadn’t followed this protest at all until Sunday night when I looked at the news and everything blew up. Honest question, was it as full of white supremacy as the MSM is playing it up to be, or was this a right leaning crowd with a small percent of true shitheads that took over the headlines? I get that they were there to protest a confederate statue being torn down but you can legitimately support that since it’s a part of real history in the south without being a nazi.
A lot of the stuff that falls out of Trumps mouth is poorly thought out, sometimes comical.
Truth.
In this example, he pretty much said people on both sides are to blame, but there will be no support for any of the extreme groups specifically on the ‘right’ side, if you even want to call them that.
Both sides are to blame for large groups of protesters marching down the street with torches chanting ‘JEWS WILL NOT REPLACE US’?
Both sides are to blame for a lunatic driving his car into a group of people?
I could go on, but it’s probably a lost cause.
If someone angrily beats the fuck out of someone with a club because they don’t have the same belief as them, how is that different from taking action against another person because of their race/religion/sex?
One is assault, the other is a hate crime. (Assuming the difference in belief is more of a disagreement.)
Is it worse if someone hates another group (even if its completely unreasonable) and marches on it, or is it worse if someone hates another group for a more plausible reason and takes action criminally against them?
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If the ‘alt left’ (I fucking hate these names) was actually interested in finding a solution to this ‘epidemic’ of bigotry, they would first have to stop being bigots themselves. In any situation, violence is not going to make things better. The initial rally and extremists on the white supremacy side are insane and wrong no doubt, but clashing with them violently is only going to make things worse.
Ignoring racists and bigots is almost the same as supporting them. It allows them to get a hateful message out.
I honestly don’t know how Trump could unite the people on both sides at this point, seems like a lost cause. Those extremists did not get him into the white house, nor will they be the reason he goes back for a second term, its the ‘alt left’ that is tearing everyone apart.
The ‘alt left’ (whatever that is) isn’t getting groups of people carrying torches and nazi flags and screaming racists chants together to draw attention to themselves.
It just came off as him avoiding the idea of denouncing specific groups. One group was protesting with a racist message. The other was counter-protesting that message. No one was right in the violence but why not denounce the hateful idea that is creating these clashes?
If they wanted to ‘peacefully’ protest the statue being brought down they wouldn’t have brought torches and weapons with them. They brought weapons BEFORE being confronted by counter protesters. It really seems like they wanted this to happen.
This approach has served people well for a while now…there are regularly KKK marches it random southern cities people figured out if you ignored them and didn’t give them news coverage nobody cares and their support doesn’t grow.
Instead this new approach of finding an opposing group to go fight with them and give them 24/7 news coverage just helps them find more supporters.
From what I’ve gathered, yes it was an incredibly volatile protest from the start. Neo-Nazis, KKK members, alt-right, etc. They most certainly did not show up for a ‘peaceful’ protest. They were being racist AF prior to being confronted by counter protesters.
Stop counter protesting things? This event would have come and gone but everyone feels they need to challenge and shut things down.
Look at what happens at college campuses if a speaker they don’t agree with comes to speak…hey lets burn shit and destroy everything until we create a place they can’t safely speak.
You can have strongly opposing views on topics that don’t require you to show up somewhere with a mask on and bats :lol:
Ah okay. So just let racists march the street with torches. That should help denounce racism.
I agree that ignoring them is the best way to stop their message from spreading nationally, but they have their own platforms to continue to grow and cause problems. I’m not sure closing your eyes and putting your fingers in your ears is going to solve this one…
The reason violence happened is because people showed up to physically stop and fight with them…
They have the right to march and speak about whatever they want even if you don’t agree with it. Perhaps the approach of doxing all those people would have a bigger impact?
Showing up to fight with them which is what people from antifa did wasn’t helpful and just helps recruiting on the other side.
I assume there is some legal remedy naming them a gang or something along those lines that could help curve this? However you’re still walking some line about free speech.
I agree with this. They we’re litterally parading around rural NC last year. There was some minor news coverage in Roxboro and they basically said that they’re planning on passing through. Police will be out there to make sure they pass through quickly and without issue. Not to support them, but to just make sure that nothing comes of it and they just GTFO quickly and without incident so that people can get on with their day.
The alternative of fighting back against them just plays right into their hand. They WANT a fight. They are purposefully stirring the pot. See here: http://archive.is/cebjw
Like any pathetic child lashing out, ignoring their message is actually the best thing you can do. Unfortunately, these pepe frog meme wars, 4chan boards, reddit and twitter have been the perfect platform for them to get the fight started.
I’m not advocating meeting it with violence. However, do we know for sure the counter protesters incited the violence? (Aside from just being there) It seems more likely that Vanilla-ISIS and Ya’ll Queda escalated it when met with an opposing view.
How do we ignore these fucks in a world that’s so well connected?
*Just saw your edit. Some states are declaring them as terrorists groups. That would only come into play for directed attacks and such. Not sure what legal remedy could help to curb their message of racism, though.
Are you serious or trolling? both groups were fighting each other prior to getting run over with a car.
If the one side wasn’t there fighting with them were they going to fight themselves? :lol:
Look at the Antifa people they showed up with weapons and helmets also…
Ignoring and not giving these people news coverage and attrition does away with any power they had…instead this happens and gives them a recruiting event.
It’s a pretty simple question. I wasn’t even talking about the psycho in the car. There are hundreds of peaceful protests with counter-protests every year. Think Westboro baptist church protests. So it’s certainly possible that they showed up to peacefully protest the racist message and had it escalated from the neo-nazi side. Is that such a hard scenario for you to imagine?
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Ignoring and not giving these people news coverage and attrition does away with any power they had…instead this happens and gives them a recruiting event.
Back in circles we go. Loop back to what was said earlier.
So both sides show up with weapons but only one side was there because they wanted a fight. #LiberalLogic
Have a PEACEFUL counterprotest and show you’ve got the moral high ground. Don’t show up with clubs and attempt to block their legal protest then blame the POTUS when he rightfully says both sides were responsible for the violence.
Know what would have sent an amazing message? Having the counter protestors lined up on each side of the street with signs for inclusion as the white power club passes through. I’m sure the white supremacists would have been greatly outnumbered and the visuals would have sent a loud and clear message that they’re the minority and in the wrong. Instead both sides showed up ready for a riot and both sides should be blamed.
:tup::tup::tup::tup::tup: Yes! That’s exactly what they should have done. No one is saying the counter-protesters showing up with weapons was in any way the right move.
Regardless of “who started it”, I still think I side with the counter-protesters on this one. Good ole Mitt Romney came out of the woodworks with this one, and I tend to agree:
“No, not the same. One side is racist, bigoted, Nazi. The other opposes racism and bigotry. Morally different universes.”
IMO, anyone that beats-up a Nazi is awarded a “get out of jail free” card, regardless of their political agenda.
Sorry, but that’s not how free speech works and it’s an EXTREMELY slippery slope. You don’t get to dictate what’s protected speech by public opinion or moral majority.
