I agree with that completely.
foreign cars are being viewed as more reliable and economical when they’re not. toyota and honda got a good thing going, whether it’s based on legitamate shit or not
btw when you buy a foreign car you may be employing a few american assembly workers but the majority is still being shipped overseas where the engineering and design crew is. assembly is only a very small part of production
this argument is getting old.
incredibly old, Tod. But nonetheless i can’t understand things like this. (not directed at you)
Why is the first finger of “shitty foreign car” pointed at what i feel to be one of the best engineered and designed makes of cars? While honda DOES retain their flaws as minor as they be, face the facts. They are BY FAR the easiest cars to work on, about as reliable as they come, and although beauty is in the eye of the beholder the best put together.
I work on cars every day, it’s what i do for a living, and i will tell you straight out i DREAD when i get a repair order for a ford or a chrysler, let alone volkswagen, audi, bmw and the like. It’s all junk to me, as if it were put together by a blind man. 90% of the car’s interior doesnt line up, it feels like you’re riding on a PATtransit bus when you sit down and it’s more than dissapointing when you push the accelerator down on something with a 5.4L motor and the gas gauge falls down as the RPM’s climb painfully slow.
You don’t see that many foreign cars from the 80’s anymore? Show me all the domestic cars with 250,000+ miles on them. Keyword? ORIGINAL ENGINE AND TRANSMISSION Simple fact is people buy cost effective foreign cars and run them into the ground. Body falls apart? yeah you’re right. But the engine is still running strong. Another thing you forget to mention is, how strong was the foreign car base in america in the 80’s? Not as strong as the american car manufacturers still winding down from the muscle car era. Ask your question in Japan, see how your answer will change. Where we live alone will not determine the quality due to quantity.
Put up some statistics.
Ford? still struggling to make an auto tranny that won’t take itself apart before 20,000 miles in some F-series trucks, EXPLORERS and MOUNTAINEERS especially, and the taurus/sable platform.
GM? They’ll get that intake gasket problem solved someday, maybe.
Chrysler? you serious? german engineering, the death wish they needed.
Honda.
HondaJET- do the american car companies have an airplane?
Dirtbikes- how about dirbikes?
Streetbikes- streetbikes? nope!
Quads?- still striking out!
Okay. well then they must make
Lawnmowers? haha
Weedwackers? nah
Jetski’s? forget about it
Generators? yeah right.
Asimo? what’s that? a robot that’s SMARTER than our president?! HA!
Face the facts, the technological advantage goes to the japs, they’re goin for the knockout punch. I love my country but i call em like i see em’. I’m all for keeping jobs here and all but you gotta look out for number one, and i’m not gonna waste my hard earned money on domestic shit because “That’s what uncle sam would do”
That doesn’t exempt Nissan and Toyota, it just seemed like this was more of a “the world vs. honda” argument.
I don’t feel this way BECAUSE i drive hondas, i drive hondas because i feel this way. This is in no way a shot at 60’s era muscle cars WHEN A CAR WAS A CAR. Bottom line is i’ll agree when you’re right, until then if you want to deny the inevitable and keep throwing your money into a pisspot, go ahead.
Now someone be a good domestic car owner and tell me something clever like, “my honda has a small motor bwhahahahahahahahaha” :1320:
This isn’t an attempt to start an e-thug deathmatch with anyone, nor was it directed at anyone particularly, just random points i felt needed made as i read through the thread, so put your shotglass of testosterone away and save it for the track. Just talk with a little sense next time.
I didn’t read that article, but I wonder if the fact that Honda makes motorcycles/rising fuel prices also has an affect on vehicles sold???
darkstar…why do you own a corvette now? Instead of a lude?
As for the domestic at 250k original tranny/engine, it all goes on how a car has been treated, beat the living piss out of a Honda and it won’t see 250k either.
But as far as domestic build quality its no better or worse obviously with chevy still top 3…technology is overrated, look at ford, using generally more technology than chevy and still can’t catch up, my question is what happens when technology and brute power come together?
I understand some of your other arguments, but not this part. I guess Mitsubishi is an even better company then since they are involved in the automotive, aircraft, maritime, infrastructure, A/C & refrigeration, and defense industries.
Has anyone seen any videos of the asimo robot? That thing is creepy as shit.
Running and slaloming
[ame=“http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YtiCHtHxc48”]YouTube - Asimo Running[/ame]
Dancing, steps and balancing on one foot.
[ame=“http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1rJaanGirg”]YouTube - Honda ASIMO Dances at Kennedy Center[/ame]
End of the world, here we come. Im sure the japs will figure out how to armor and arm these things.
how do you figure? every beat to hell and back riced out civic in the world has almost 200,000 miles?
Sorry can’t help it, must post.
[ame=“http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EKU7omqjvn8&feature=related”]YouTube - ASIMO feel down.[/ame]
because I wanted something that was fast, looked good, and was cheap.
I like ALL worlds…
I like honda’s if looking for an inexpensive, easy to work on car, tons of aftermarket support and knowledge
I like nissans if looking for a slightly more cost, a bit more solid, but harder to work on
I like GM/LSX b/c is straight out of the box power + easy to get parts + lots of aftermarket support
Fuck Ford - I had 2 fox bodys and a 2000 Exploder ALL JUNK 
It is hilarious how close minded many of you are and can’t accept the fact that different companies have their perks. That type of thinking won’t get you very far in life. I’m sure even Pewter has seen some imports he has drooled over as Darkstar has switched from Honda to GM. Thats a sign of intelligence, buying what suits your needs.
It would be petty damn boring if everyone drove the same thing. Personally, i have no great love of Honda. I have owned 3 of them, and didn’t find any of them particularly reliable. The 2 Accords were boring. Prelude was OK. It amazes me how badly even the later ones rot away, yet they have a big fan base. I also find the new ones pretty ugly, especially the new Accord. But the S2000 is interesting, and the Element is an interesting utility vehicle. Again, i wouldn’t buy one, but i can see where they have some appeal.
However, in my own experience, the Domestic cars i have owned lately have been just as reliable as the Imports. My 01 PT cruiser gave me 6 years of completely trouble free driving. My AWD caliber has not given me any problems. My wifes xB just passed 2 years without a single trip to the dealer for work. Other than a torn CV boot, my Subaru has been problem free. Domestic vehicles will last 200K plus, with regular mtse, same as any Honda. I had a Cherokee with 231K on it when i sold it, and it is still going strong. My sons buddy has a mid 90’s 4.3 Jimmy with over 250K, still going. I think domestics with 200K are more common than some may think.
Even though both of my Accords had major tranny problems before 50K miles, i don’t think Hondas are junk. However, they have a reputation in the marketplace for reliabilty, and they are smartly capitalizing on that perception. I think they make a good product, but it certainly does break. I also think that A lot of other car manufacturers make a good product. Dis Chrysler all you want, but every one i have owned in the last 10 years have been problem free.
I post this picture for no other reason than i think it’s cool…
Fuck Ford - I had 2 fox bodys and a 2000 Exploder ALL JUNK
I’ve had really good luck with my Mustangs…we’ve had five late model Mustangs in my family. All have treated us really well. My wife’s ZX2 Escort has 110,000 miles on it and is still going strong as well.
I don’t understand why people get all worked up over this anyway.
Riced out…ricers can’t drive for the most part, put Joe(fmf) behind the wheel of a civic and let him beat the piss out of it…it won’t make it to 200 let alone 250. And most of those civics you see beat on were owned by nice old ms daisy until 100k.
And blackbelt…i like that picture…your average honda can’t do that obviously because of front wheel drive but its obvious where the most potential is at(more cylinders), then after someone says there is no replacement for displacement…then an import guy will say…ya there is…boost…yea thats nice and all…but boost your d/b series and let me boost my lsx…you’ll be running two to three times the boost as me just to make what i made N/A. It all depends…either you want high tech low performance(in most cases with import cars…not just honda) or high performance low tech
i see, im sure that someone who drives really hard is any better than someone who cant drive at all.
missing shifts, dumping clutches, e brake slides, stalling? you think that shit is good for a car? In Joe’s case, or someone who has performance in mind, does supporting mods to the things that cant handle the stress.
or in my case you do the supporting mods and it still breaks
Thanks for clearing up the most general information out there. :ugh2: Great point! :bowrofl:
Whats missing a shift going to break? a clutch…whoop-d-doo, stalling honestly what are we talking…stoplight on a hill stalling? Whats that going to hurt? We are talking engine/tranny, broken to the point the whole bit needs replaced, not general shit like a clutch or ebrake cable.
Powershifting for example…a ricer is going to miss a gear or more completely…a good driver is going to nail it each and everytime…
This is all beside the point, every car has its quirks, every manufacturer has its quirks. People just want to whine and complain about how a jap car lasts longer.
Are you fucking kidding me? I’ve seen people in third gear accidently put it in 2nd instead of 4th and spinning the shit out of the bearings due to over revving the engine. And in some cases spinning a bearing so bad it scores up the crankshaft.
You’re saying good drivers NEVER miss gears? Ask the best of the best on this site, it happens.
Do some fucking research before you make stupid comments.
These are all of the JD power dependability awards that Japanese cars took the honors in.
http://www.jdpower.com/autos/articles/2007-VDS:-Subcompact-and-Compact-Cars
http://www.jdpower.com/autos/articles/2007-VDS:-Sporty-Cars
http://www.jdpower.com/autos/articles/2007-VDS:-Premium-Cars
http://www.jdpower.com/autos/articles/2007-VDS:-Multi-activity-Vehicles
http://www.jdpower.com/autos/articles/2007-VDS:-Premium-Multi-activity-Vehicles
http://www.jdpower.com/autos/articles/2007-VDS:-Pickups-and-Vans
Buick and Ford did manage to win most dependable Midsize and large car.
http://www.jdpower.com/autos/articles/2007-VDS:-Midsize-and-Large-Cars
Darkstar loves him some 1320 ownage.
yeah but even mitsubishi’s TV’s suck haha :tounge:
the point of my argument is not to say that honda is the end all be all of the industry, but to illustrate the fact that the technology they have is so vast that it should be no surprise that they are climbing atop the top sellers of the nation. Everyone will have their opinions til the day they die even though most are ignorantly close minded. There are many cars i like but i just realistically cannot see me wanting to own, however i give them their due respect as cars and it being the owners choice, i don’t bash them just because of what they drive, which is what gets me so fired up about people shit talking hondas. For example, Personally, i love c5 and c6 corvettes, price aside i would never own one because it’s just not my cup of tea. However i give respect where it is due.
That is the difference between the way i see things and the way your stereotypical 80’s f-body owner see’s things (again not pointing fingers at anyone, just making a hypothetical point)…“ya fawk dem hondas they have no torque”
that’s great and all, i have no torque…i guess i’ll just go hang out with everyone else that only has to make 300whp to go 11’s.
But all honda owners who are same rough stereotype as i made above, that doesn’t exempt them either, they are still fuckheads.