correct to an extent on that. will still need an intercooler, but you really wont have to pull out alot of timing. the engine kevin built that chad spoke of was still running 36 degrees timing w/o any boost retard, but was still air-water intercooled. said intake temps were 53 degrees. thats pretty damn good. downside was alot of ice was used–almost an unpractical amount for street use. but hell, on low boost the car was still over a grand, i wouldnt bitch.