"WARPED" rotors are a myth

The term “warped brake disc” has been in common use in motor racing for decades. When a driver reports a vibration under hard braking, inexperienced crews, after checking for (and not finding) cracks often attribute the vibration to “warped discs”. They then measure the disc thickness in various places, find significant variation and the diagnosis is cast in stone.

   When disc brakes for high performance cars arrived on the scene we began         to hear of "warped brake discs" on road going cars, with the         same analyses and diagnoses. Typically, the discs are resurfaced to cure         the problem and, equally typically, after a relatively short time the         roughness or vibration comes back. Brake roughness has caused a significant         number of cars to be bought back by their manufacturers under the "lemon         laws". This has been going on for decades now - and, like most things         that we have cast in stone, the diagnoses are wrong.

   With one qualifier, presuming that the hub and wheel flange are flat          and in good condition and that the wheel bolts or hat mounting hardware          is in good condition, installed correctly and tightened uniformly and          in the correct order to the recommended torque specification, in more          than 40 years of professional racing, including the Shelby/Ford GT 40s          – one of the most intense brake development program in history -          I have never seen a warped brake disc. I have seen lots of cracked discs,          ([FIGURE          1](http://www.stoptech.com/tech_info/wp_warped_brakedisk.shtml#)) discs that had turned into shallow cones at operating temperature          because they were mounted rigidly to their attachment bells or top hats,          ([FIGURE          2](http://www.stoptech.com/tech_info/wp_warped_brakedisk.shtml#)) a few where the friction surface had collapsed in the area between          straight radial interior vanes, ([FIGURE          3](http://www.stoptech.com/tech_info/wp_warped_brakedisk.shtml#)) and an untold number of discs with pad material unevenly deposited          on the friction surfaces - sometimes visible and more often not. ([FIGURE          4](http://www.stoptech.com/tech_info/wp_warped_brakedisk.shtml#))

   In fact every case of "warped brake disc" that I have investigated,         whether on a racing car or a street car, has turned out to be friction         pad material transferred unevenly to the surface of the disc. This uneven         deposition results in thickness variation (TV) or run-out due to hot         spotting that occurred at elevated temperatures.

   In order to understand what is happening here, we will briefly investigate         the nature of the stopping power of the disc brake system.

   <b>THE NATURE OF BRAKING FRICTION</b>

   Friction is the mechanism that converts dynamic energy into heat. Just         as there are two sorts of friction between the tire and the road surface         (mechanical gripping of road surface irregularities by the elastic tire         compound and transient molecular adhesion between the rubber and the         road in which rubber is transferred to the road surface), so there are         two very different sorts of braking friction - abrasive friction and         adherent friction. Abrasive friction involves the breaking of the crystalline         bonds of both the pad material and the cast iron of the disc. The breaking         of these bonds generates the heat of friction. In abrasive friction,         the bonds between crystals of the pad material (and, to a lesser extent,         the disc material) are permanently broken. The harder material wears         the softer away (hopefully the disc wears the pad). Pads that function         primarily by abrasion have a high wear rate and tend to fade at high         temperatures. When these pads reach their effective temperature limit,         they will transfer pad material onto the disc face in a random and uneven         pattern. It is this "pick up" on the disc face that both causes         the thickness variation measured by the technicians and the roughness         or vibration under the brakes reported by the drivers.

   With adherent friction, some of the pad material diffuses across the         interface between the pad and the disc and forms a very thin, uniform         layer of pad material on the surface of the disc. As the friction surfaces         of both disc and pad then comprise basically the same material, material         can now cross the interface in both directions and the bonds break and         reform. In fact, with adherent friction between pad and disc, the bonds         between pad material and the deposits on the disc are transient in nature         - they are continually being broken and some of them are continually         reforming. 

   There is no such thing as pure abrasive or pure adherent friction in         braking. With many contemporary pad formulas, the pad material must be         abrasive enough to keep the disc surface smooth and clean. As the material         can cross the interface, the layer on the disc is constantly renewed         and kept uniform - again until the temperature limit of the pad has been         exceeded or if the pad and the disc have not been bedded-in completely         or properly. In the latter case, if a uniform layer of pad material transferred         onto the disc face has not been established during bedding or break-in,         spot or uncontrolled transfer of the material can occur when operating         at high temperatures. The organic and semi-metallic pads of the past         were more abrasive than adherent and were severely temperature limited.         All of the current generation of "metallic carbon", racing         pads utilize mainly adherent technology as do many of the high end street         car pads and they are temperature stable over a much higher range. Unfortunately,         there is no free lunch and the ultra high temperature racing pads are         ineffective at the low temperatures typically experienced in street use.

   Therefore - there is no such thing as an ideal "all around" brake         pad. The friction material that is quiet and functions well at relatively         low temperatures around town will not stop the car that is driven hard.         If you attempt to drive many cars hard with the OEM pads, you will experience         pad fade, friction material transfer and fluid boiling - end of discussion.         The true racing pad, used under normal conditions will be noisy and will         not work well at low temperatures around town. 

   Ideally, in order to avoid either putting up with squealing brakes that         will not stop the car well around town or with pad fade on the track         or coming down the mountain at speed, we should change pads before indulging         in vigorous automotive exercise. No one does. The question remains, what         pads should be used in high performance street cars - relatively low         temperature street pads or high temperature race pads? Strangely enough,         in my opinion, the answer is a high performance street pad with good         low temperature characteristics. The reason is simple: If we are driving         really hard and begin to run into trouble, either with pad fade or boiling         fluid (or both), the condition(s) comes on gradually enough to allow         us to simply modify our driving style to compensate. On the other hand,         should an emergency occur when the brakes are

   cold, the high temperature pad is simply not going to stop the car.         As an example, during the mid 1960s, those of us at Shelby American did         not drive GT 350 or GT 500 Mustangs as company cars simply because they         were equipped with Raybestos M-19 racing pads and none of our wives could         push on the brake pedal hard enough to stop the car in normal driving.

   Regardless of pad composition, if both disc and pad are not properly         broken in, material transfer between the two materials can take place         in a random fashion - resulting is uneven deposits and vibration under         braking. Similarly, even if the brakes are properly broken, if, when         they are very hot or following a single long stop from high speed, the         brakes are kept applied after the vehicle comes to a complete stop it         is possible to leave a telltale deposit behind that looks like the outline         of a pad. This kind of deposit is called pad imprinting and looks like         the pad was inked for printing like a stamp and then set on the disc         face. It is possible to see the perfect outline of the pad on the disc.         ([FIGURE         5](http://www.stoptech.com/tech_info/wp_warped_brakedisk.shtml#))

   It gets worse. Cast iron is an alloy of iron and silicon in solution         interspersed with particles of carbon. At elevated temperatures, inclusions         of carbides begin to form in the matrix. In the case of the brake disk,         any uneven deposits - standing proud of the disc surface - become hotter         than the surrounding metal. Every time that the leading edge of one of         the deposits rotates into contact with the pad, the local temperature         increases. When this local temperature reaches around 1200 or 1300 degrees         F. the cast iron under the deposit begins to transform into cementite         (an iron carbide in which three atoms of iron combine with one atom of         carbon). Cementite is very hard, very abrasive and is a poor heat sink.         If severe use continues the system will enter a self-defeating spiral         - the amount and depth of the cementite increases with increasing temperature         and so does the brake roughness. Drat!

   <b>PREVENTION</b>

   There is only one way to prevent this sort of thing - following proper         break in procedures for both pad and disc and use the correct pad for         your driving style and conditions. All high performance after market         discs and pads should come with both installation and break in instructions.         The procedures are very similar between manufacturers. With respect to         the pads, the bonding resins must be burned off relatively slowly to         avoid both fade and uneven deposits. The procedure is several stops of         increasing severity with a brief cooling period between them. After the         last stop, the system should be allowed to cool to ambient temperature.         Typically, a series of ten increasingly hard stops from 60mph to 5 mph         with normal acceleration in between should get the job done for a high         performance street pad. During pad or disc break-in, do not come to a         complete stop, so plan where and when you do this procedure with care         and concern for yourself and the safety of others. If you come to a complete         stop before the break-in process is completed there is the chance for         non-uniform pad material transfer or pad imprinting to take place and         the results will be what the whole process is trying to avoid. Game over.

   In terms of stop severity, an ABS active stop would typically be around         0.9 G’s and above, depending on the vehicle. What you want to do         is stop at a rate around 0.7

   to 0.9 G's. That is a deceleration rate near but below lock up or ABS         intervention. You should begin to smell pads at the 5th to 7th stop and         the smell should diminish before the last stop. A powdery gray area will         become visible on the edge of the pad (actually the edge of the friction         material in contact with the disc - not the backing plate) where the         paint and resins of the pad are burning off. When the gray area on the         edges of the pads are about 1/8" deep, the pad is bedded.

   For a race pad, typically four 80mph to 5 and two 100mph to 5, depending         on the pad, will also be necessary to raise the system temperatures during         break-in to the range that the pad material was designed to operate at.         Hence, the higher temperature material can establish its layer completely         and uniformly on the disc surface.

   Fortunately the procedure is also good for the discs and will relieve         any residual thermal stresses left over from the casting process (all         discs should be thermally stress relieved as one of the last manufacturing         processes) and will transfer the smooth layer of pad material onto the         disc. If possible, new discs should be bedded with used pads of the same         compound that will be used going forward. Again, heat should be put into         the system gradually - increasingly hard stops with cool off time in         between. Part of the idea is to avoid prolonged contact between pad and         disc. With abrasive pads (which should not be used on high performance         cars) the disc can be considered bedded when the friction surfaces have         attained an even blue color. With the carbon metallic type pads, bedding         is complete when the friction surfaces of the disc are a consistent gray         or black. In any case, the discoloration of a completely broken in disc         will be complete and uniform.

   Depending upon the friction compound, easy use of the brakes for an         extended period may lead to the removal of the transfer layer on the         discs by the abrasive action of the pads. When we are going to exercise         a car that has seen easy brake use for a while, a partial re-bedding         process will prevent uneven pick up.

   The driver can feel a 0.0004" deposit or TV on the disc. 0.001" is         annoying. More than that becomes a real pain. When deposit are present,         by having isolated regions that are proud of the surface and running         much hotter than their neighbors, cementite inevitably forms and the         local wear characteristics change which results in ever increasing TV         and roughness.

   Other than proper break in, as mentioned above, never leave your foot         on the brake pedal after you have used the brakes hard. This is not usually         a problem on public roads simply because, under normal conditions, the         brakes have time to cool before you bring the car to a stop (unless,         like me, you live at the bottom of a long steep hill). In any kind of         racing, including autocross and "driving days" it is crucial.         Regardless of friction material, clamping the pads to a hot stationary         disc will result in material transfer and discernible "brake roughness".         What is worse, the pad will leave the telltale imprint or outline on         the disc and your sin will be visible to all and sundry.

   The obvious question now is "is there a "cure" for discs         with uneven friction material deposits?" The answer is a conditional         yes. If the vibration has just started, the chances are that the temperature         has never reached the point where cementite begins to form. In this case,         simply fitting a set of good "semi-metallic" pads and using         them hard (after bedding) may well remove the deposits and restore the         system to normal operation but with upgraded pads. If only a small amount         of material has been transferred i.e. if the vibration is just starting,         vigorous scrubbing with garnet paper may remove the deposit. As many         deposits are not visible, scrub the entire friction surfaces thoroughly.         Do not use regular sand paper or emery cloth as the aluminum oxide abrasive         material will permeate the cast iron surface and make the condition worse.         Do not bead blast or sand blast the discs for the same reason.

   The only fix for extensive uneven deposits involves dismounting the         discs and having them Blanchard ground - not expensive, but inconvenient         at best. A newly ground disc will require the same sort of bedding in         process as a new disc. The trouble with this procedure is that if the         grinding does not remove all of the cementite inclusions, as the disc         wears the hard cementite will stand proud of the relatively soft disc         and the thermal spiral starts over again. Unfortunately, the cementite         is invisible to the naked eye.

   Taking time to properly bed your braking system pays big dividends but,         as with most sins, a repeat of the behavior that caused the trouble will         bring it right back.

Good read man.

I just didn’t see anything about metal consistency throught the rotor or metal type and purity in any of the parts. There is no question that rotors themselves warp and the hard braking/stopping and leaving the brakes clamped is the # 1 cause. Using your e/brake to keep the car parked after some good stopping is teh suck too, hence the manufacturer going with drum inside rotor e/brake types.

Here at the shop, we measure the rotor, just as it said in the article, but when we pop it onto the cutting lathe, you can see the outside edge wobbling, while the hub is still fairly smooth. It seems both types of warpage could happen especially with the tight clearances between the hub and the rotor on newer sealed bearing axles(fwd).

very interesting. :tup:

awesome post dude,

i cant even count the number of times ive heard this

Heard it a few times, can’t argue any details about the accuracy of the article.

the longest thing i’ve ever read on a forum that was good :tup:

good post… learned a lot…
how about giving the author some credit though… you coppied everything but the author and the copyright.

What about when u come home with screaming hot brakes after some hard driving and you decide, hey, great time to wash my car. Then you notice, “Hey theres tons of brake dust on my rims, get out of there”, and then you proceed to spray your hose directly at the rims and brakes and you hear them sizzle to a cool. I was under the impression that if you do this to your rotors they can truely warp, which makes sense. Anyone have tome thoughts

Good post, fyi, this is the first thing they drill into your head when you are trained about brakes. Good post none the less :tup:

Sticky.

very useful. thx

im too lazy to read the whole post, but “warping” is infact not a correct term, the problems with rotors are “lateral runout”