hey am planing to do something to my car, turbo or supercharger if possible, but my car has 150k miles on it, its a honda accord, 4d/r 92.
cut me some slack guys, but am a really NOOB when it comes to force induction, am just wondering would my engine take it? The motor seems to work perfect, or do i HAVE to swap or rebuild engine.
another thing what does it run around to rebuild one of these f22’s, i have a good idea of price for engine swaps.
thnx for INfo.
i am gonna be straight uphonest with u: i dont kno that much about turbos and imports, BUT, what i can tell you is the higher milage u have on a motor, the more of a risk u take by modding it. if u rebuild the engin (and rebuild it right) then u should be ok and make sure your transmission can handle it. personally, if u r gonna dump that kinda money into a car that old, i wouldnt bother unless the car is from the south where its never seen salt. just with older cars like that u will run into a lot more structural problems cuz of the salt. i mean, if the car has some sort of sentimental value to u and u wanna hang onto it then i guess go ahead jsut be prepared to dump a lot more money into it than the car is worth. personally, id look for a newer car and mayb do a few things to that and be happy with it. cuz in the long run that will work out cheaper.
i can’t speak for hondas or rather i won’t because it will be a unfair comparison but my SHO has 215K on it with the origional engine and i’m turboing it so stay tunned for your answer to that question
just wanted to clarify that when i say ‘rebuild’ i mean like tear it down to nothing, get the block machined, put it back together with all new internals, and the whole 9 yards. like i said, personally, i wouldnt risk anything on an engin (or car for that matter) with that many miles. I had a 1988 Chevy full size pickup that had some engin issues just as i put my Porsche on the road alst year, and ever since I had it i had planned to restore it and lift it and everything, but i ended up just letting it sit in my friend;s backyard for a year and now im finally just getting rid of it because i realized it wasnt work itjust cuz it was so old and had almost 200,000 miles on it.
I think if it runs fine now have at it. Once you turbo this you’re going to want more, so you’ll buy a motor swap and start building it for more boost. Then WHEN you blow this motor, you can just toss in your built motor and go fast. Just be smart about it, do your homework. It’s always better to ask twice, than to screw up bigtime. Ask zerodaze, i’m sure he’s got a special folder for all the pm’s i’ve asked him, lol.
the most important thing with moding a high mileage motor is to first inspect it and make sure its in great shape, if your valves are worn or the piston rings are getting weak, your just going to give your motor a quick death
as long as your engine checks out, start planning a mod list that includes a “what if” section that covers what it will cost to either A) replace a blown engine if it should happen B) build your engine with better internals when the time comes
if your seriously thinking about an ehgine swap down the road, it might be better to do the swap first, then later turbo THAT so that your not buying things like exhaust manifolds twice, this also allows you to buy an engine that you KNOW is good
take the money you foolishlly want to dump into the car and save it towards something newer
I have to agree here.
Also…what someone said about getting a car that has not been exposed to salt…I agree there too…
The F22 isn’t exactly a performance motor.
With the work you put into that motor, even with FI, it won’t have the potential as say, and H22.
But if you are looking for a little extra kick, a cheap DYI low boost turbo kit wouldn’t be a bad idea.
As for the mileage - well, i think it has all been mentioned.
But be prepared to spend 2 times the amount that you think you are going to spend… at least…
anything at about of 150,000 or more I would rebuild b4 modding it
i have to say that if the car is reliable…and its not broken …DONT TRY AND BOOST IT!! your gonna take that reliablity and flush it down the toilet. just drive the thing to 250k like honda were supposted to be.
Leakdown/Compression test.
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ok, here is the problem with the f22…you CAN make it a pretty stout motor…but the parts to do it are REALLY expensive because not too many people will try to make one fast. a turbo manifold alone is almost $800 for the f22, and thats a crapload of money IMO. now, the motor is actually pretty strong. guys are running 15psi on stock sleeves with NO PROBLEM. the PROBLEM is that once you get the f22 over 300hp you really start to cut deep past its reliablilty, where the H22 is far more reliable aside from the auto-tensioner which is an easy and cheap fix. so i would say take $3000 and swap the h22 into there, do an intake/exhaust/header/chip and see how that feels. then start saving up for a turbo kit for it.
cliffnotes: f22 is unreliable when you try to pull more than 300 horses from it, but the sleeves can handle 15psi. so if your happy with less than 300hp, just get new pistons and rods and turbo.
H22 is a better bet for a starting point, and you will get a noticable gain just swapping that in with an I/H/E and possibly a chip.
H22 FTW
you guys really know how to scare the crap out of some 1,i really love the 90-93 accord body, specially with a body kit, but am not willing to spend so much cash on it, specially now that i know is not a good idea to go over 300 hp.i think am just going to finish fixing the car get suspension, wheels ,tires and a body kit, but i really HATE having a show no go car. you guys should understand me, it wasnt long ago igot rid of my baby:hang:, 92 c4 and its V8, i LOOOVVEED that thing, and now no offence to you honda fans, driving this I4 accord, feels like a punishment.i thought turbo would be the solution but am not going to sell my arms and legs for this thing either.
am going to start saving and get something else, maybe that S2K am dreaming about, but if do get the S2K it would be years b4 i can even buy mirrors for it, b/c the car would have to be financed.
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yes do that
http://sportcompactcarweb.com/tech/0311scc_hybrid/
That’ll give you a quick overview of an H22 swap into your car, so you have an idea of what’s involved. There are some guys that run F22’s NA and have quick cars. But it all depends on what you want in the end. If you plan on running turbo, then buy the turbo goodies and boost your F22. When it blows up, swap in an H22 and then you have some idea of how to do it right. I don’t know about the F22 manifold being so expensive though…
well, the f22 would handle boost well as a stock vehicle…the 2g DSM manifolds/turbos would work well and just need some creative drilling/porting to fit the f22 head. there is actually a dsm manifold already drilled and ported for the f22. you could get a used 16g for a decent buck, make your own piping and exhaust downpipe, get zerodaze to chip it, and have a budget turbo kit under $1000. that would probably satisy you and be around 250-275 hp respectively. then when the motor blows new pistons/rods/rings will cost about $1000 again and then you can crank up the boost.
:word: good ideas, if the car means that much to ya do it up. i might hava manifold for ya this spring pre-tapped for egr guage