I have been to system/soundbar in TO and i like it alot. I have never been to Prespa or 658 as im not in Buffalo often. You are right about a dedicated house/trance etc. place in buffalo probably not feasible. I do like allen being a member of the rock crowd and all. I was just home a few weeks ago which is what got me thinking. I figured this thread would spark all types of interest as ive been all over and i kinda feel like the Buffalo scene is missing alot of options compared to other places ive been. Especially with the amount of individuality and culture that buffalo expresses an interest in. Seriousley ive been some places where i feel liek the people are just drones lol. I would like to see more development of the Elmwod and Hertel(sp.) strips with some nicer places. How long ago did those places start to open on Elm? Alot of people have responded with your idea sounds like x but thats the point. One places develop a nice strip r a style all of the places on said strip will benefit from eachother. They will all be unique in their own way and people like options. You might not get it but think about whn you go out more often then not you probably choose to go somewhere with other options close by. This thought process brings more overall business for all. What im getting at is IMO it would be better to open a nicer place where there are already 3-4 others as long as you bring something to the table people will com buy your booze lol. Ok more ideas please. To clear things up for anyone trying to figure out my interest there is a remote chance i would open a place but that isnt really a concern right now i wont even be home for almost two years. More or less just good topic of discussion especially for those of you who have been to other larger cities. Keep them coming.