do some research you are a moron if you think he didn’t kill her…I did the research time for your ass to do something
No one should have the right to tell someone that they should have to have a baby that may harm them badly or kill them, was the product of incest, or rape. If you dont believe that, then perhaps you should /yourself.
I agree on the “harm to the mother” comments. I agree on the incest comment (90% of the time incest children are severely brain damaged, or have other health problems because of incompatibilities between cells). But I don’t believe that people who deliberately go out and have sex unprotected should be able to kill their unborn child. They just don’t want to accept responsibility for their mistakes, and killing it is the easy way out.
Fetus or not, it’s a living, breathing, human being.
I went going to vote for whitey, but when I didnt see his name on the ballot I said what the hell and left.
Actually I didnt get to vote I slept in too late then had to go to work…so oh well either way they’re both evil so i really didnt care to much!
no breathing occurs in utero.
and if you want to get technical, a fetus is an organism that survives off of the body of another independant being without any beneficial contribution. you COULD make the argument that it is a parasite, and it’s at the host’s discretion whether to remove the parasite or not.
religion aside, there is no legit argument otherwise.
Correct, “breathing” was not the proper term to use.
And that “parasite”, unless harming its host, has no business being removed. And no, morning sickness isn’t harmful, its an inconvenience!
but here’s the point: America is split pretty evenly on the abortion issue, but with a definite majority favoring it to some degree. Is the government, being full of old men, really justified in rescinding any right a woman has regarding her body?
I see abortion as a necessary evil. There are people whom nearly no one would fault for having an abortion (victims of incest and rape, instances where having the baby will harm the mother), but you also have to look at greyer areas:
*What if the baby is noticably deformed? I say get that fucker aborted before it becomes a drain on society. Preventing the birth of any baby with birth defects is a damn good reason for a D+E in my book.
*Incompetant parents. If two ghetto high school children fuck and the rubber breaks, do you really want another impoverished, possibly criminal, possibly narcotics user, brought into this world? I say free abortions for Juanita so we’re not sending her a bigger welfare check every month.
Don’t think I’m stoic about the issue. I do think people who have multiple abortions as birth control are assholes, BUT not giving a shit about religion really gives you a different perspective on it.
and since i don’t have a uterus, and neither do 99 of the senators, 400+ of the House, nor the president, i really don’t think it’s anyone’s place to change current abortion laws.
*Incompetant parents. If two ghetto high school children fuck and the rubber breaks, do you really want another impoverished, possibly criminal, possibly narcotics user, brought into this world? I say free abortions for Juanita so we’re not sending her a bigger welfare check every month.
Don’t think I’m stoic about the issue. I do think people who have multiple abortions as birth control are assholes, BUT not giving a shit about religion really gives you a different perspective on it.
Incompetant parents is why there is adoption.
I’m hardly “religious” and I’m certainly not about to get into a religious debate about abortion with you. I just don’t see how anyone (teenager, old woman) could end the life of an unborn child (deformed, illegitimate, unwanted, accidental, whatever) without complete guilt. Even if the mother’s life was in danger, and it was the life of her child or her own, how to choose?? Have a murder on your conscience, or die yourself?
i’d gladly kill someone rather than face death.
a stain on my conscience isn’t worse than eternity in a pine box.
Kerry
see this is one thing I don’t agree on with the republicans, religion or not, but I have mixed feelings none the less.
They should have something inplace where is you are are an incompetant rabbit and keep having abortions you should have to be presented legally with another option IE hystorectomy or having yoru tubes tied. Sort of like ok we can understand accidents, what your back again? 3rd time fuck that if you are that stupid to take better precausions we’ll fix it for you or next one will not beallowed unless there is a medical necessity to do so.
But that is a whole nother can of worms I’m not going to discuss.
I just don’t see how anyone (teenager, old woman) could end the life of an unborn child (deformed, illegitimate, unwanted, accidental, whatever) without complete guilt
See if the child is deformed that is a medical case in my eyes. Do you really want the child to start off with a mark against him/her and deal with all the medical bills upfront? Thats not fair to it no matter how many “I will be amazing” commercials you see on TV.
See if the child is deformed that is a medical case in my eyes. Do you really want the child to start off with a mark against him/her and deal with all the medical bills upfront? Thats not fair to it no matter how many “I will be amazing” commercials you see on TV.
How deformed are we talking here? Cleft lip, one limb shorter than the other, hermaphrodite, or missing body limbs altogether? Where is the line drawn between death and life? Why should that deformed child not be given a chance at all?
i don’t think a fetus can dress up as the opposite sex…
i think you meant hermaphrodite(sp?)
yes, thanks. I couldn’t remember the politically correct term. Fixed. 
anything the will affect the person to function with out additional time or moeny spend on a special need. Cleft lips are common, missing an arm is not and you need special attention to over come that. Yes its easier for children to over come if they are born like that compared to an amputee but still it requires special needs and is not fair to the child.
republicians do have something in place it is called cutting welfare from people who have 800 kids…look at my post in the concession thread
im not religious, but i do believe there is probably some higher being… but we won’t get into that. i’ve been a “parasite” to my parents for about 21 years now, does that give them the right to kill me?? is that a legit nonreligious arguement?
lets try to agree on some things, i just want to know where you’re coming from. that organism is alive inside it’s mother right? regardless of whether or not it can live without her, it is alive. that organism is a human being, not a dog, cat, anteater or anything like that, it’s human. so, taking a living human and making a decision that takes that human’s life is ok? it’s close to the same things as the law in Florida (i think) about the lady in a coma. i can’t think of her name right now, but the bf wanted to pull plug, family didn’t, or something like that.
note, i just skimmed most posts so i probably missed a good point. but i agree with abortions of rape/incest/harm to mother. but like ShalerPunk started to say, people who use it as a form of birth control ought to be shot.
if you were cut off from your parents, you could survive.
a twelve week old fetus couldn’t.
hence the parasitic definition.
well this is something i feel strongly about and several of you know why. i’d rather call it unformity rather than deformity. I think physical unformities are different than mental unformities. You can be physically unformed and live a very normal life, People lose limbs all the time and go on to lead normal lives without help from anyone else. Most mental unformities require assitance and special care.
NOW i could survive, but say up to 4 years old i couldn’t… it would probably be even longer like until i could actually work and such, but i’ll just say 4 years you are totally dependant on your parents… hence are we still parasites? we don’t contribute any more than we did in the womb, in fact we cause more frustration and confusion, always shitting and puking and all kinds of nasty baby stuff…