Well, my point is whether we like it or not, electrics are coming. It remains to be seen if they will stay or we’ll use something louder for propulsion besides the gas ICE but regular gas engines will get phased out eventually… The bike I ride is pretty quiet so I can’t and don’t rely on others seeing me, or hearing me, I just do my best to predict what they may do in advance and act accordingly. As far as pulling in the clutch and revving, to me its the same thing as putting it in neutral at traffic lights - you’re relinquishing control of the vehicle. Not an acceptable proposition.