Barak Hussein Obama - Truths

I understand that, but modern republicanism has little in common with lincoln.

The US has changed quite a bit since 1860. I’d hope the party platform evolved a bit over the past 150 years.

…during which, the Democratic Party has been responsible for secession of the South, a bloody resulting Civil War, the defense of slavery, Jim Crow, segregation and the defense of segregation, dropping two atomic bombs on Japan, entering and escalating the Vietnam War, Ruby Ridge and Waco, and a whole host of other extremely violent acts.

Just food for thought. :slight_smile:

now wait… i thought you were going to Law school? :zzz: so is it a Dr. to be or a Lawyer to be? or both?

I think you missed his joke.

democrat or republican, both are crooks and liars and will say and do anything to get elected and then change their mind and do whatever benefits themselves. **** them all, and f u c k this stupid language filter.

They speak English in Bloomfield?

Reread my post.

i wonder if being a part time surgeon comes with health benifits :beer:

got this in an email, not sure of the relevance & don’t feel like starting a new thread to get people fired up over.

Interesting and worth reading nonetheless.

Supreme Court Of The United States (SCOTUS) Justice David Souter has agreed that a review of the federal lawsuit filed by attorney Phil Berg against Barack Hussein Obama II, et al., which was subsequently dismissed for lack of standing is warranted. SCOTUS Docket No. 08-570 (http://origin.www.supremecourtus.gov/docket/08-570.htm) contains the details.

A review of that docket and the Rule 10 of the Supreme Court (http://www.law.cornell.edu/rules/supct/10.html) makes abundantly clear that Justice Souter’s granting of a review on the Writ of Certiorari is not a right entitled to citizen Phil Berg, but rather is a matter of judicial discretion based upon a compelling reason. That compelling reason is the Constitutional requirement (http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/constitution.articleii.html#section1) that “No person except a natural born citizen … shall be eligible to the office of President…”

What this means is that on or before 1 DECEMBER 2008 Barack Hussein Obama II must respond to the writ of certiorari, and since the Berg v Obama case hinged primarily on the question of Obama’s place of birth, it is almost inconceivable that Barack Obama will thumb his nose at the Justices of the Supreme Court and he is absolutely compelled to provide a vault copy his original birth certificate.

Another very salient fact to consider at this time is that, despite all of the pronouncements of the print and broadcast media, Barack Obama is not yet the President-elect of the United States. Barack Obama can only become the President-elect after the Electoral College (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._Electoral_College) convenes on 15 DECEMBER 2008 in their respective state capitals around the nation and casts their votes to elect the President and the Vice President. As you can see this election day occurs two weeks after the required response to the Supreme Court granted Writ of Certiorari.

The bottom line is this: the presidential election of 2008 remains an ongoing process, the outcome of which remains undetermined, and all talk about a potential Constitutional crisis in the United States are at least 36 days premature.

The inevitable constitutional crisis regarding President-elect Obama, of course, revolves around his inability (or unwillingness) to produce an authentic Hawaiian birth certificate with the raised certificate stamp that the Federal Elections Commission can independently verify.

Here are some of the unanswered issues hanging over the head of President-elect Barack Obama and the question of his American citizenship:

· The allegation that Obama was born in Kenya to parents unable to automatically grant him American citizenship;

· The allegation that Obama was made a citizen of Indonesia as a child and that he retained foreign citizenship into adulthood without recording an oath of allegiance to regain any theoretical American citizenship;

· The allegation that Obama’s birth certificate was a forgery and that he may not be an eligible, natural-born citizen;

· The allegation that Obama was not born an American citizen; lost any hypothetical American citizenship he had as a child; that Obama may not now be an American citizen and even if he is, may hold dual citizenships with other countries. If any, much less all, of these allegations are true, the suit claims, Obama cannot constitutionally serve as president.

· The allegations that “Obama’s grandmother on his father’s side, half brother and half sister claim Obama was born in Kenya,” the suit states." Reports reflect Obama’s mother went to Kenya during her pregnancy; however, she was prevented from boarding a flight from Kenya to Hawaii at her late stage of pregnancy, which apparently was a normal restriction to avoid births during a flight. Stanley Ann Dunham (Obama) gave birth to Obama in Kenya, after which she flew to Hawaii and registered Obama’s birth."

· The claim could not be verified by inquiries to Hawaiian hospitals, since state law bars the hospitals from releasing medical records to the public;

Even if Obama produced authenticated proof of his birth in Hawaii, however, the suit claims that the U.S. Nationality Act of 1940 provided that minors lose their American citizenship when their parents expatriate. Since Obama’s mother married an Indonesian citizen and moved to Indonesia, the suit claims, she forfeited both her and Barack’s American citizenship.

I was going to call BS, but since you got it in an email, it must be true. Right there with the Prime Minister of Nirobi needing money from my checking account.

We should send this to FoxNews because they haven’t mentioned anything about it; maybe they’ll roll with it!

i watched a youtube thing on that. im assuming its the same deal that came up about him not being an american born citizen.

here is the link take it for what its worth

[ame=“http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gA6_k3NtXZs”]YouTube - Obama Citizenship: I Invented The Internet (Ep. 6: October Surprise)[/ame]

America, reading and believing stupid chain e-mails since 2000!

It would be pretty damn funny if it were true though.

Darkstar, lowering the collective IQ of Pittspeed since 2003. I’m assuming you just started reading what you believe to be another anti-obama email and took another sip of your kool-aid. Just read it. While I didn’t say that I thought anything would happen from it, I did say that it is interesting. If you’re too big of a retard to read it all, just read the bullet points and the last statement.

Google it if you think that I just made it up or blindly posted it. I’ve known about the lawsuits against Obama for a while & thought that they were just squelched rather than proven to be wrongfully accused. I’ve read months ago that

http://www.obamacrimes.com/index.php/news/52-us-supreme-court-awaits-response-to-berg-writ-of-certiorari-from-obama (the website came up in google, don’t blame me for providing it)
http://www.amazon.com/tag/politics/forum?_encoding=UTF8&cdForum=Fx1S3QSZRUL93V8&cdThread=Tx3JO877P2V3MSG

McCain’s citizenship was also challenged in court. What did McCain do? He provided the court with the documents requested rather than try to avoid the suit for whatever reason.

The thing that actually make me suspicious of Obama in this particular example is the fact that he does not simply produce the document.

And here is a big reason why that makes me suspicious http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2008/07/atlas-exclusive.html
If someone that does this for a profession says that there is irrefutable, empirical evidence that Obama’s COLB a forgery, then I’m going to read it.

Techdude delivers a final report that exceeds my wildest expectations. It is irrefutable, empirical evidence - Obama’s birth certificate is a forgery. Why? Why a COLB (certificate of live birth) forgery? That is the question.

My deepest thanks and appreciation for Techdude’s unwavering commitment to the truth despite the threats and harassment, the slashed tires and the dead animal on his porch.

Insofar as “techdude’s” credentials, he is an active member of the Association of Certified Fraud Examiners, American College of Forensic Examiners, The International Society of Forensic Computer Examiners, International Information Systems Forensics Association - the list goes on. He also a board certified as a forensic computer examiner, a certificated legal investigator, and a licensed private investigator. He has been performing computer based forensic investigations since 1993 (although back then it did not even have a formal name yet) and he has performed countless investigations since then.

Again, interesting… you’d think the media would be all over dirt like Obama not being legally able to run for president. After all, they were so quick to (wrongly) publish ‘facts’ about Sarah Palin abusing power, believing that Africa was a country rather than a continent, that she spent hundreds of thousands on wardrobes for her and her family, etc.

It would be a damn shame.

Countless American’s would be embarrassed and upset that the mainstream media that they rely on would lead them astray from the facts.

America would be the laughing stock of other nations, as we would be “too dumb” to have realized our own laws and for not doing a thorough background check on a presidential candidate. If we can’t manage that, how in the hell do you suppose we get accurate information regarding the whereabouts of terrorists or threats to our nation?:doh:

I still think it would be funny :D:D:D

You’re a moron if you actually believe this ****. If the certificate were forged, a simple call to the Hawaii state department would reveal it. Shut up, move on, stop being dumber than the toilet seat you were conceived on.

Lack of reading again on your part.

Read the posts, understand why “a simple call” to the Hawaii State department would not reveal a thing. (since you have proved time and time again that you can’t read for more than a couple of lines - you cannot provide private health care information to the public.)

Stop reading the speculation, who cares. If something comes up, I’m sure we will hear about it.

Who is going to find it, the “Media”? The “Media” is almost as corrupt as the goverment. It is probably better to do your own research rather than sit on your couch and have some retard on the news tell you what to think.

It has come up. It is not speculation. We have not heard about it.

read: http://search.access.gpo.gov/supreme-court/SearchRight.asp?ct=Supreme-Court-Dockets&q1=08-4340
Berg v. Obama is still alive - just waiting on the defendants.

http://www.americasright.com/2008/11/post-election-berg-v-obama-continues.html

Friday, November 7, 2008
Post-Election, Berg v. Obama Continues

Today, attorney Philip Berg disseminated a press release reminding all that, despite the results of Tuesday’s election, his lawsuit against now President-elect Barack Obama is alive and well. As it stands now, the United States Supreme Court is awaiting a response which may or may not come from Obama, the DNC and Federal Election Commission by December 1, 2008.

“I look forward,” Berg said in the release,“to receiving Defendant Obama’s response to the Writ and am hopeful that the U.S. Supreme Court will review Berg v. Obama. I believe Mr. Obama is not a constitutionally-qualified natural-born citizen and is ineligible to assume the office of president of the United States.”

As far as I know, the respondents–Obama, DNC and FEC–are not required to respond, and may decline to do so out of confidence that the Court will simply deny Berg’s Petition for Writ of Certiorari. The U.S. Supreme Court receives approximately 8,000 such petitions each year, and only hears between 70 and 120 or so.

Berg, of course, is hopeful that the court will do the right thing, saying that our constitution hangs in the balance, and requiring the president-elect to submit his information would “avert a constitutional crisis.”

Some, like myself, are conflicted. On one hand, Obama received 63 million votes on Tuesday but, on the other hand, if Berg is correct he shouldn’t have been there in the first place. On one hand, the time for Berg’s line of thinking to be pursued should have been before November 4th so as to avoid mass voter disenfranchisement but, on the other hand, since when have the courts been concerned about voter disenfranchisement? On one hand, the United States Constitution says that Barack Hussein Obama is now president-elect of the United States of America and should be treated as such but, on the other hand, the same document also says that, should Berg be correct, he cannot serve in the position he’s slated to attain in January because he is not a natural-born citizen of the United States.

To me, as much as I am ready to fight President Obama where he needs to be fought as a conservative, as much as I am willing to let this nation reap what it has sown and learn from it, I still cannot help but go back to the thought that, as a lawyer buddy of mine put it, “the Constitution’s criteria for presidential eligibility are not ‘suggestions’ but instead are mandatory requirements.” As much as I know that accepting Barack Obama as my president [elect] is essentially a sign of being a decent American, I do not think it is unfair at all to ask for proof that my president is also an American. In fact, I think it is downright unfair otherwise.

I am conflicted here. I am conflicted because I firmly believe that, should we survive the next four years, Obama’s election could actually be a blessing in disguise for America. I am conflicted because I think people in 2012 will not be better off than they were here in 2008, and will know that the democrats in the executive and legislative branches will be solely to blame. I am conflicted because I have no doubt that, properly managed and willing to accept the lessons of 2006 and 2008 that conservatives win elections and moderates do not, the Republican Party will emerge stronger than ever and will lead this country into unparalleled prosperity, as the lesson learned from four years of a socialist president will be a lasting one. Perhaps, in that respect, accepting the result of the election and allowing the democrats and Obama to try and miserably fail, we will actually secure long-term benefit for the country.

Still, to me, the question presented by Berg is warranted and absolutely essential. Barack Obama should present, for independent examination, the “vault” copy of his birth certificate if for no other reason than to put this matter to rest. His failure to provide it does make me believe that he doesn’t have it, or that it doesn’t say what it should. The best way to receive closure, perhaps, is the most unlikely one – that the U.S. Supreme Court grant certiorari in this matter. Unfortunately, as the Court doesn’t like to get involved in political questions such as this, as the Court would be hesitant under any circumstances to countermand the will of 63 million Americans (give or take a few hundred thousand for ACORN), I don’t think it will happen. What we have now, unfortunately, is a widely-accepted “don’t ask, don’t tell” policy and, with regard to the presidency, that’s unacceptable.

Despite my internal conflict, I will continue to provide updates and insight on Philip Berg’s lawsuit against Barack Obama, as I believe that the underlying questions are as fundamental as can be. I have tried to be fair to both sides in reporting on this matter, and it wouldn’t be fair to anybody if I were to change that policy.

While I am prepared to accept the man as president, while I am prepared to praise him when [if] he does right and protest him when he does wrong, I am extremely disturbed that he was freely elected despite not being completely forthcoming when it came to his background. Regardless of the result from the United States Supreme Court, perhaps the giant lesson learned from all of this is that America needs a highly transparent mechanism by which the constitutional qualifications for each candidate are checked – perhaps, knowing the controversy which surrounded his election, Obama will be the first to create such a mechanism and will voluntarily submit himself to be the first one checked out.

But I won’t hold my breath.

Which is why I brought it up. Go figure nobody has an open mind about it.

In all honesty, I am ready to “hope for the best” with Obama, and will not argue if he is legitimately eligible for the Presidency. He won, however there is the possibility that his name shouldn’t have even shown up.

I think that it is the responsibility of good journalists to find the truth and expose it. I find it hard to believe that Obama hasn’t found the time to do what McCain’s old ass did - show up in court with all of his required documents to prove his natural born citizenship.

I’m not a conspiracy theorist, but come on… this is a little strange, don’t ya think?

It’s kinda odd that there is still some discussion about where he was born. :dunno:

I really don’t think he would have got this far if he wasn’t a real american, but these conspiracy theories are fun to read every now and then.

I agree. I think it is ridiculous that he hasn’t just put the rumor out to the pasture by showing up in court and dismissing the claim against him. It works both ways.

I have better things to do that read through all the horse**** in this thread, so why dont you just explain it to me.

He wouldnt have. He’s a black man with the middle name Hussein. He’s probably the most vetted man in political history. I mean, if he KNEW that he’s not even a citizen, then why the **** would he run for any office, let alone the presidency? If you go to the damn DMV they make you produce a birth certificate and verify that stuff. But I’m sure they don’t really look into it when someone if running for POTUS. :rofl:

maybe it’s because if he did, he would be legitimizing the retarded claim and it would have made big headlines and then idiots like you would actually believe there is some truth to it. I mean half the inbred simpletons that voted for McCain still think he’s a secret Muslim terrorist!