what i dont understand is why some of you think its even remotely ok to tax the shit out of gas just to attempt to control peoples actions involving what kind of car they want to buy or what kind of energy they want to use.
you want to change how people use energy? get your own ass to work in developing something better than we have now, not wish for some idiot politician to try to reduce everyones liberty and freedom because they believe in some really poor science.
this is the kind of crap your ancestors left england/europe to get away from.
Must control everything for the greater good. THE GREATER GOOD!!![SIZE=2] lol IDk as a whole society sucks ass and we probably would be better off with these freedoms limited and the people of america basically not having to do as much of their own thinking. However this mess looks like the guys we let run the big show can’t either. Bottom line I don’t support it either way. [/SIZE]
my view is simple… i did not support Obama when he was elected but I respected him because he was elected our President. Now, after his first few weeks, I neither support or respect him.
Fox News is similar to MSNBC, not CNN - CNN is much closer to the middle. Fox News attacks anything and everything Democratic on principle, whether or not there’s a reasonable critique.
I’ll be the first to admit that MSNBC is annoying and irrational, but Fox News is as bad, if not worse. You’re right, if Fox News is the source, and politics is the content, it SHOULD be discarded since it’s almost certainly completely subjective and biased. If you’re looking at CNN like we look at Fox News, the distance you must be from any semblence of rationality is disturbing.
No, our ancestors left Europe because they were (a) poor, (b) religious fanatics that were not being tolerated by a modernizing society, and/or (c) greedy.
People are working on improving it, but the American people are notoriously short-sighted and seem hell-bent on self-destruction. Like Fry said, our reliance on foreign oil is our greatest weakness, and a gigantic overall drain on our economy. We do have some oil reserves (not as plentiful or nearly as accessible as Rush Limbaugh would have you believe) that we could get good production out of in another couple of decades, but in a similar amount of time with a similar amount of money, we could be working on something cleaner, more efficient, cheaper, and more useful in the long term (solar, nuclear, wind solutions, vehicles running on the grid or hydrogen fuel cells).
We already tax things at different rates based upon how desireable they are for our citizens to have (junk food taxes, tobacco taxes), and the only reason this is different and inspiring your uninformed rampage is because it’s new, and it’s on cars.
As individuals, we got into this economic situation because we didn’t have the common sense to look ahead and realize how big of a mortgage is too big. Governmentally, it was because we didn’t have the common sense to look ahead and realize that home ownership isn’t a realistic goal for every American at this point in time. Institutionally, it was because we didn’t have the common sense to realize that just because you can get someone to sign for something, that doesn’t mean you can always collect on it.
And you’re saying, “If the American people want to be short sighted and continue pouring our hard-earned dollars into the Middle East and an inefficient, unsustainable (economically, not to mention environmentally) energy solution, the government is WRONG WRONG WRONG to provide artificial fiscal incentives for them to adopt the new technology.”
It’s not about control, but it is about the greater good. It’s not about restricting freedoms (at least, in my opinion), it’s about trying to govern in a country where 20%+ of people on each side (liberal and conservative) of the debate are willfully ignorant and are less concerned with reasonable policy than ideology, who refuse to educate themselves on the issues beyond what they can read in a page-long FoxNews or MSNBC article, and who resist any attempt to do something that’s actually going to be effective if it doesn’t agree completely with the ideals they hold (which are mostly idiotic in the first place).
Eh. Cougarspeed gets it, and he’s right as far as I’m concerned that people who think that an article being from Fox news is “proof” that the content is false should go juggle knives.
But yeah, while the idea of trying to jack gas up to $8 bucks per gallon overnight is all sorts of fucked, systematically increasing the cost of something we depend on that a) will run out and b) we cannot provide ourselves with will make the new technologies that the extreme right want to magically appear economically feasible to develop, while not crashing our economy.
Granted we’re also not going to just magically run out overnight so this will probably naturally happen on its own, but adding a little oversight isn’t such a bad idea. Of course, just about every good idea that has time will get bastardized by career politicians.
So in the end, I guess I’ll just drive my SUV to work and eat my bacon until I can’t.
Fox News fails the objectivity test. They’re entertainment, or commentary, not news. MSNBC too.
Anyone who goes to either for their primary news source is as likely to be misinformed as someone who goes to the Daily Show for their only news source. It’s not proof the content’s false, but it’s a damn fine reason to closely inspect everything they’re saying.
Like I stated and you just proved its people like you that don’t agree with it that just think they can say this. Just like with JayS the other day you are willing to prove what I say with your own argument. :picard:
Yea you are right Fox News and MSNBC are the same as The Daily Show. WTF is wrong with you? I really think you are going to be the first person ever to make my ignore list.
yea and the new thing people HEAR is “bla bla… out of Iraq by August 2010” yayyy parttttyy wars over lets leg hump Obama. Oh wait… what’d he really say? oh damn remove combat troops by then. What about all the civil affair missions and other support opperations we have going on there? What about the people who’s deployment are just going to get moved from Iraq right on over to Afghanistan? yea… OIF and OEF will be going on for a BIT longer then August 2010
Increasing fuel taxes… IF it happens it probably won’t be in effect untill the economy is somwhat stable. As for the Stimulus package, I’m not sure if I agree with alot of the expenditures but investing in education and healthcare is somthing that this country needs. Finally goverment funds are being spent to better our country taking the complete focus off of another. But hopfully his economic advisors know what they are doing. I’m sure things will get much worse before they get better… A long road ahead but the poorly managed businesses will go belly up and the rest will drive our country foward and up through this ressesion. This is the harsh but fair reality to the global market.
I did not say they were the same, I said they’re all commentary and entertainment, not hard news, and that someone who pays attention exclusively to them is likely to be misinformed.
If you only watch Fox News because you think it’s the only news source that’s reliable, you’re fucking insane.
I almost NEVER watch Fox News what I am saying is that if they have an article im not just going to be like “scoff its Fox News and 100% invalid to anything in the universe” you can go ahead and chill with the personal attacks too the really don’t help people win debates and im not in the mood. kthanx
all this could have been solved had you taken the time to actually read what i had posted and digest it before replying
i never fucking said their articles are always 100% wrong
i did say, and will stand by my statement, that they’re one of the least reputable news organizations since the period of yellow journalism, to the point of irresponsibility, and if they publish an article on politics, you should probably go get a second and third opinion rather than just taking it at face value
everyone should STFU!!! until it is seen what this stimulus does and the effects it has in the long run people should stop bitching because it has gone through already and nothing can be done about it
Don’t give me the “well look at the markets since Obama took office” Fuck off! these people behind the markets are the same ones that thought Madoff was a economic genius and are always out to make a huge buck
