Clever Construction - Patio Doors & Windows retrofit.

Since I began remodeling the upper unit of my house over 3 years ago, I had always wanted to update the patio doors leading out to the front porch. They were drafty and rather inconvenient for regular use of the front porch. I was intending on doing this work myself, as I have done most all the work in my house including replacing of all the windows, but upon researching replacement options for the original doors, I knew I was looking at either a very expensive custom set of doors, or a big project requiring me to open up the existing wall to allow standard sized doors to be used. I figured doing it myself would have taken at least a full weekend, and adding to that the unknown of what you find once you open up the walls of a 100 year old house, I decided to get some quotes from some professionals.

The Original

I had seen a number of others on here have good experience, so I contacted Alex to see what he could do. He considered both options, but we ultimately decided the standard sized doors option was the best way to go with my budget. Alex stopped by the house to go over the options, and to make measurements 2-3 times before we moved forward with ordering.

The crew arrived the day of the install on time, with 4 guys to tackle the job, and they got to work right away. They had the original windows and doors removed in not much more than an hour.

Within the next hour, the openings were enlarged, and framed.


New doors and windows were in by lunch time.


Amazing how much bigger the room feels. And eliminating the original storm doors gives much more room on the small patio also.

It was important to me that I kept as much of the original features of the home as possible, so the team re-used the old exterior trim, modifying the pieces as needed to make them fit to the new opening.

I was watching the guys closely as they worked, specifically during the enlargement of the opening. I appreciated that they took the extra care no to crack the plaster walls more than absolutely necessary while cutting. I was happy to see they also insulated all the voids between the framing and gaps wherever possible. They even provided additional trim tabs to make the re-use of the original interior moldings easier, allowing me to reuse most of the molding without major rework to it. Anyone who has tried retrofitting new with the old knows how much of a headache this can be.

My only complaint was that the caulking on the exterior seemed to have been done a bit hastily, but that probably has more to do with me being anal about small details like that. Most people will never notice it, and you certainly will not see it from the street. The house needs to be painted now since all the exterior work is finally completed, so it can be touched up at that time.

Overall, I am very satisfied with the outcome. They completed a fairly complex project quicker than I expected, while still meeting my expectations in quality and price. I would not hesitate to recommend them or use them again.

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It looks so much better!!!

Would you mind posting a picture if a section that you are not “happy” with? I think this is important for people thinking about using Clever Construction to see EXACTLY what someone didn’t like about a particular job. I am pretty picky to. On my house that was one of the first things I looked at…It was done really well (especially on Brick), better than I could do:


Thread: http://www.nyspeed.com/showthread.php?226547-Clever-Construction-Fast-Easy-and-No-Bullsh!t

First,

Thanks for all the kind words. It’s reviews like this that keep my business going. I try my hardest to keep everyone satisfied, while providing the best quality of work and products for a reasonable price. That being said, my installers said this was quite the project indeed. Old bones like this are never the easiest to work with and it’s always a special task making old woodwork mesh with new windows and doors. I am very pleased with the outcome without the use of metalwork. This really did tie the front of your house together and I am excited to see the finished product, paint and all.

This is something I appreciate you telling me very much. Although my crews have plenty of experience, sometimes mistakes do happen; and we are also in the process of training two individuals on that particular crew. That being said, I would be more than happy to come over and take care of this for you. Caulking is something my family takes pride in, as it’s not always as easy to do as people think. Especially when working with silicone caulking like we do.

One again, thanks very much Joe. It was a pleasure doing business with you, and let me know if there is anything I can ever do for you in the future.

-Alex

first off im glad youre investing in the city

dont take this the wrong way but 6 over 6 windows? from the pics of your neighbors houses it would appear 1 over 1 would have been much more appropriate

I snapped a couple pictures last night when I got home of the ‘problem caulking’ areas I noticed. Alex, I wish I had seen this before you stopped over after the work was done, and I could have had you address it then. But I think having this open on a public forum goes a long way in showing other members that you really do strive to do the best possible job, and are willing to go the extra mile to ensure satisfaction. This speaks volumes, as I have used another very reputable Buffalo contractor to do other work within the last year, and getting them to correct their mistakes took a lot of jumping through hoops.



I appreciate your comment, and eye for such detail. I spoke with Alex about trying to keep the original look of the home as much as possible. He did offer an option for a custom grill pattern, which I balked on since it was an extra unknown cost (and lead time) and I was in a bit of a hurry to get this project moving. The doors I was replacing actually did have the grid pattern, so I agreed to the standard grill pattern without taking much consideration for the windows. In hind sight I should have probably tried to better keep the original look with the grills in the windows, but at the end of the day the windows on the front of the house also do not match the original architecture of the home either. Most of my neighbors still have the originals in, or replacements with no grills at all. From the street, I can honestly say it doesn’t look bad at all. I am still quite happy with what I got.

Alex, maybe another thing to consider moving forward with your business is to provide a detail or even a sketch of what the windows/doors being ordered will look like in the contract and have them sign off on it. I know the big box stores do this, as well as some of the other window places i have been. I am happy with what I got, but I could also see that perhaps someone else was expecting a 4x4 grid on only the top sash and a 6x6 on both would throw them into a tizzy. It may be a bit more work up front, but its just another CYA thing to ensure everyone is on the same page.

That was the first thing I thought of. It is hard to gain experience on some of these skills “off of the job.” Judging by the pics it looks like it was someone that simply has not developed a steady method yet. The good thing is that the silicone can easily be re-done. But, the more you fuck with it when it is wet the worse it looks. It is better to let it dry and then come back and fix it. On my front window Alex actually re-caulked a section of the sil that needed to be done in steps due to the masonry on my house to form a proper seal.

I think for most people reading this thread…this is the key. Don’t stand over the crew while they are working. But, be sure to COMPLETELY walk through after the job is done while they are still there. Something could have been missed or overlooked. It happens.

I had 2 “issues” on my last job with Clever Construction because the manufacturer missed something that I specifically ordered. The crew would have never known when they installed it but when I pointed it out they got right on the phone with Alex and I had my replacement ASAP. It is better to NOT WAIT to point out any issue.

Clearly customer satisfaction is number 1 for Clever Construction. :tup:

First thing I can honestly say I notice, is that the caulking beads in question are on old wood and additionally a flat surface (Which is incredibly hard to caulk)

However, I can touch these up no questions asked. Let me know when or how I can help you out.

Additionally with the grid paterns, I suggested we matched the pattern on the doors. IMO any change in pattern would have looked goofy to me. For future reference I will do my best to include a diagram of the grid pattern.

I am sure too once you repainted that specific area (assuming it’s caulk) it would obviously be not as noticeable. Seems like it’s just surface wipe, not gobs all over. I hate silicon lol. Caulk isn’t too bad.