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I’ll say it again a bit more clearly…lol
Support the hell out of CSCS because it’s got a head start and is a very suitable amatuer competition even though you don’t get much ‘practice’. Which you shouldn’t get at a competition anyways.
You guys had some great attendence at shannonnville at a couple events this year. Keep that going but don’t try to turn it into something it can’t be… an out right points series…
Find other events like CSCS that already have some steam going and build on that with some drift.
Either get CSCS to sanction it or have D-ops, a neutral third party count the points from different events and have it’s own champ.
People need to stop going off and trying their own things because it thins out the crowd and makes everyone weaker by creating needless drama and loyalties to few that create divides between many.
I will be happy to assist with any efforts and provide the full support of this network of forums and my annual meet and whatever else i can do other than devoting a wack of time to it because you guys know i can’t do that anymore… I wanna see the sport get on it’s feet too but i see my role as more of a facilitator / council etc.
a perfect example of combining efforts rather than siloing efforts is a tentative deal Chris and i have for DMCC. Any event i can go be a vendor at i will try and get my whole booth onto his rig and we can split the travel costs… Makes it easier and cheaper for both of us and makes it more likely that we’ll each do more events… that is collaboration… trying to find new ways to do the same thing all on each other’s own has the opposite impact.
Yea i say support CSCS.
and support practice days.
So many events over past few years where we only had like 15-20 cars show up to drift, we can’t run another amateur competition series. Makes no sense logically. We simply don’t have enough amateur drifters to support it and make it work.
all good thoughts…more discuss
I would also like to support drifting more thoroughly by providing tires at cost if attending drift events. I’m in the process of expanding GBtires, but won’t leak any details yet.
Maybe those who participate with CSCS or DMCC will get their set of tires at my cost.
Good idea?
i think thats a great idea because tires are fucking expensive. It could bring more people out…or what about in addition to that, 1st 2nd and 3rd place at each event gets some tire voucher from you, respectively
Samson, i am sure by “cost” you really mean near cost and i think it’s important to make that clear or if you do mean true cost then change it to near cost.
It is unreasonable for people to expect to get things for free or where you in this case would gain no economic benefit from providing the service.
If you’re going to go all-out with GB Tires then you are going to need some profit to be sustainable and be able to service drivers in the long term. The drivers should understand that.
I have never ‘given’ parts away. If i did i would not be in business anymore. Maybe some people think they are entitled to free parts; but almost always they are not. My position is why i’m still around, even after supporting dozens of DMCC drivers, and why so many others have come and gone… and therefore had little impact on the scene and nothing any further.
We need to find a position where the drivers get the best value from the vendors in the network but where the vendors are also properly compensated for doing so. We can build of that.
Well said Bing, when I say cost I mean the cost of the tires plus other expenses to get the tires in my hands with no margin ontop. IMO, that is considered cost because it would be my true cost to get the tires into my hands.
I wouldn’t mind doing this for the dedicated drifters to help the community, and obviously I would expect something in return (not monetary value). Most likely brand awareness etc.
When details are more solidified, I’m willing to give more details on what I’m able to provide. I think it would be more than reasonable and a good way to support a community that I was so close with long ago =(
The points regarding Shannonville are all very good. Whenever I mention to anybody I drive 3 hours to the track they think I’m crazy.
Something I thought would keep the Shanonville drift days interesting would be have small awards at the end of the day.
Something like: Most improved driver
Most damage to car
Earliest entries
Best drift of day
You could get real creative. Only thing is it would be hard to keep track of all this through the day.
CSCS
It’s great that CSCS has been willing to support drift for quite a few years now (anybody know how long?). One thing I see though is drift is a small portion of their business. Whatever their making most money on will always get the most focus and improvements.
Practice before a drift event would make it much more impressive for the crowd to watch and hopefully bring more crowds. I felt this year DMCC at mosport that the driving was much better at the end of the day, if the drivers had the day before to practice then we could have had an even better show.
CSCS should have a track day the week before for practice… nothing special just paid lapping/drifting for people who are pre paid for cscs.
Drift days would be fun if we had some judging and even prizes but only if its taken seriously which most likely won’t happen.
Tires at cost would be great… Just how will you have people prove they will use the tires for drift days/events. Maybe I could afford new tires then
just my two cents
This is a great idea, my thoughts on practice is $ you will now have to pay for 2 track days… and now you have to rely on 20 or so guys coming up with $200 est. for the track time alone each…
next is if you want to run competition, Shannonville is a great place but you will need to set up a start and finish… just something to think about. no more drifting the circuit.
CSCS is a great place to learn and prove some skill, although in the past the same track has been used etc, I still think its a good start…
Do we need another track?- yes Do we need more track days? -yes But at whose expense? I know Wayne from Drift-Ops has taken a hit before because of these track days is it fair? - No
Pre paying is a great idea…
But what I saw the last few track days was nuts for example the last CSCS they had a 24 car field i was shocked! October D-ops day there was at least 35+ cars so maybe we are onto something.
Tires- you should learn to use your tires pressure as a tool, tread wear indicator, temp rating, size, all come into play. Its not always about wide new tires, when running a lower hp car.
Maybe I’m wrong!
Brad.
i am not a big fan of the track at cayuga, or the lack of practice time before an event… the only guys that progress at cayuga are the guys that show up every event… it is not a place what so ever for noobs. shannonville is minty, all we need is somone(s) to take lead and make practice days happen as often as possible… why are we argueing about this? lol
Would tube chassis cars be allowed?
Hey Guys I just stumbled upon this thread and want to chime in, for those of you who don’t know me im Chris from CSCS
sharpe_corners - Thanks for your comments on our series, since you wont respond to private messages I guess I will let you know on here that we are in discussion of banning your from competition at our events due to some on track actions and some other outstanding issues which you are well aware of. (has nothing to do with your post above)
Moving on I cant thank Bing enough for turning this thread around.
For those of you with the negativity towards CSCS in regards to the drifting I understand your complaints but please keep a few things in mind.
We know you get minimum track time, but we use the time attack to cover the cost of the track and only charge drifters $60 to compete. That includes the 2 hour morning session followed by all the elimination rounds and drift expo. Our events are NOT meant for practice track time, it just isnt feasible with everything going on. Our events are to give you guys a competition. We are the only people in Ontario who have put Ontario amateur drifters in a north american magazine (PASMAG) every event, we let amateurs compete in front of thousands of fans, we have 1st, 2nd, 3rd trophies for each event, on average we give out $2,500 worth of free tires every year, we do National Champion silver rings, online point standings, bring in (they volunteer) DMCC pro drivers to judge you guys, have a crazy scaffolding tower which we bought and haul to each track and setup for you guys and we charge $60 per entry for drifters and I work with a team of 100% volunteers.
I dont want to vent but some of the guys on here have seen us setup in the pouring ran at 4am to ensure that our events go on the best we can. We have never cancelled an event no matter how bad the weather is, and in return sometimes it feels like you guys dont think we want drifting to grow or that you guys think we arent trying our best.
What we need to grow drifiting is to have more sanctioned practice days that line up with our events. So that drivers can hit up shannoville for a practice day and CSCS for competition. We have tried to do the shannonville days and I lost a lot of money on that day. It was a open drift day, no points, just got nuts…and we didn’t have enough drivers. Sorry but its hard for us organizers to continually pour money into it when we continually lose out in the end. I have to give Wayne and the rest of the driftop guys a lot of credit for how many times they have tried doing track days.
We cant host practices at Cayuga, because drifting is banned from Cayuga but we have managed to get special permission to allow it during our 3 main events.
We have a 2nd track this year, we are hosting a event at mosport DDT and it will include drifting. So our drift series has grown to 4 points events and 2 tracks this year.
If you guys really want to grow drifting we all need to stick together. CSCS and DMCC have committed to supporting each other 100%. We need the same commitment from the dirvers and everyone else wanting to throw events in Ontario. Lets have “Practice” and “Comp” days that everyone will support and PRE-PAY well in advance for. Lets stick together and support each other.
GB tires. Make it happen, and you will have all of my tire buisness.
Well said chris
Noone sent me a pm?
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Oh, I was under the impression that it was 100$ for entry, when did it become 60? Is that when you pay the whole season upfront?
“We cant host practices at Cayuga, because drifting is banned from Cayuga but we have managed to get special permission to allow it during our 3 main events” - Chris
My 2 cents, i think we should begin with issue such as these to begin the growth of drifting in Ontario. IMO drifting should not be banned from anywhere unless it physically unrealistic to hold a drift day at that venue , and we should work to get that cleared so people don’t have the opportunity to bash CSCS cause they are not familiar with the track or w.e. I know it really easy for me to say it should be changed, and i realize that it is an enormous issue with many complexities but at the end of the day do you think drifting will grow with Ontario tracks banning our activity left right and center? Honestly i feel like shanny is the only place we have… and is prolly the major reason why we are not growing at all cause we are limited and outcasts from the rest of the motor-sport scene.
P.S CSCS your doing a fantastic job, only hit one drift comp. with you guys…actually my first time on track for drifting was @ a CSCS event 
Hope maybe you can hold practices/open drift @ DDT as well
Irff
Super siked that u mention mosport ddt. I would be super down. After seeing the track at DMCC, and how awesome it is, i really wanna lay down some rubber there.
DDT is my favorite track, being allowed (key work there) to drift would be lots of fun.