dyno-ing your car w/o a machine?

I remember reading this somewhere and it actually works…

All you need is a car and a stop watch, if I remember correctly

You keep the car in 3rd gear (5spd) and accelerate and time it with the stop watch until red line, then you shift into neutral and roll back to your starting speed to measure the rolling resistance. You then plug a bunch of numbers into a formula and you have your cars HP/TRQ
Again, I’m not sure the exact steps but I remember reading this somewhere, anyone have a link to the site which explains how to do it?

Use:

http://www.canadaconnects.ca/i9/quantumphysics/config/images/shrodspace.jpg

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wouldnt it be 4th gear, for 1:1?

Of course, you could do any gear, just have to factor the multiplication in

wat?

alot of math.

You need to know alot of the details too (weight, cD, gear ratios, exact distances, etc).

4th gear in a 6 spd, 3rd in a 5 speed.

I was jsut looking for the website that explains it.

my brain hurts.

not for 1:1 4th gear is 1:1 in both of those. in a 6 speed the 5th and 6th driven gears are both over drive. in a 5 speed only 5th is OD.

Here is the formula i commonly use…

Pull wallet out + pay dyno guy = get dyno numbers.

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really depends on the car…my 4th isnt quite 1:1 but its close both 5spd and 6spd Sentras are 4th gear

6 Spd Sentra

1st 3.416
2nd 1.944
3rd 1.258
4th 0.947
5th 0.772
6th 0.630

5 Spd Sentra

1st 3.153
2nd 1.842
3rd 1.258
4th 0.947
5th 0.772

Only taking into account acceleration and drag:

F=m((v2-v1)/t) + .5rhov^2ACd

Good luck getting any sort of accuracy out of it.

Well, that just gives you average force and at this point I’ve lost interest.

or buy a used Gtech for less then 30 bux and VOILA

I’ll sell my G-tek for $30 if you want it!

you forgot to include rolling resistance of the tires, probably have to take into account the air density to get a more accurate F resulting from air… shit if you actually know what you are doing in regards to this, but I doubt many people would want to actually sit down and do the math to this, and you might want a program like mathcad where you only have to define the variables.

EDIT: and you have to also take into account your lack of reaction times for the timing system

Rho sukka!

The math is easy. It’s just plain old freshman year kinematics. It’s getting accurate inputs to the variables that’s going to be hard. Well, naw maybe not that easy. Drag force will be increasing exponentially the entire time you’re accelerating. Time to do calculus. :hang:

For the third time… anything can be solved with math, but you have to know the variables.

If you can get the Cd and frontal area of your vehicle, the rest is pretty much cake.

Would you even have to take into account rolling friction? It’d be there on a dyno too. Well, it would for the drive wheels. So yeah you’d have extra resistance from the non-drive wheels.

Fuck just guess.

There is a slipping factor from the fact that the road doesn’t move like the rollers of a dyno, and what if it was a hub dyno?

PJs & KENNEDYS & SPINA’s all have Dynos. Just not for AWD.