"Failure to display plate and regulation brake lights"

Thats what I got a ticket for yesterday in my truck. :frowning: Like a dummy I was riding around with my plate and lights down without realizing it. I left from work and was anxious to be out cruising and just didn’t hit the switch. I was literally 2 blocks from home when he pulled me over. I would of been able to see my house if there weren’t trees in the way. As soon as I saw the lights and looked in my rear view I realize it was down…

Officer: License and registration please.
Me: Here you are, sir.
O: Where is your license plate?
M: [Looks back in surprise] OH! I’m sorry, I forgot to put it up, here you go… [pssssst, pop it up]
O: Do you realize you don’t have any brake lights, sir?
M: Yes I do, sir. They are back there in the lower grey area. Even when the plate is down.
O: [Goes back to look] These are not up to PennDOT spec, son.
M: I would agree with you on the lower lights, which is why I installed the upper lenses. The upper lenses are most certainly approved by PennDOT. That Jeep right there [Wrangler was parked right across the street!] has the same ones.
O: [stunned look on his face] Sit tight, I’ll be right back
M:…

He goes and does his thing in the car. The whole time I am hoping he gets a positive reaction from the YME SIR license plate. While he was in there, I set my printed out copy of the PA Department of Transportation Vehicle Code Provisions that I leave in the truck on my passenger seat. He comes back to the truck with his ticket book in hand… fuck…

O: You need to have that thing up at all times. If we can’t read your license plate that can make you guilty of a crime if you’re spotted in the area of that crime while it happens. You would be liable since you don’t have a plate and that’s suspicious.
M: What?!
O: If someone committed a crime and we were investigating, we could hold you liable since you don’t have a license plate and that would be considered suspicious. You also don’t have license plate lights.
M: Well that doesn’t seem right to me. Wouldn’t you need at least a description? And yes, I do have license plate lights that are clearly visable from 50 feet. They’re in the head of the bolts.
O: Ok, I’ve overlooked a bunch of other things but I have to write you up for not displaying your registration properly while driving. Just sign here, it’s not acknowledging guilt, only that you received a copy of your citation.
M: What other things, sir?!
O: [blank face again]… Don’t worry about it, here is your citation
M: [signed the ticket and handed it back] I really would like to know what ‘other things’ you are referring to, sir.
O: Have a nice day. Drive safe, and leave that thing up!!

He ignored my question!!! Or I stumped him, not sure which. But he obviously wasn’t too familiar with the details of the vehicle code or something. He knew I was not just some punk kid who didn’t know shit. I made him aware that I knew the regulations. Whether or not I abided by them is a different story. He was cool the whole time, never acted like a hard ass or anything. It was totally my fault so I am not angry. I should of had that shit up and I would have no reason to of been pulled over. I was hoping he made a comment on the plate. That was my whole intention of getting it! Funny thing is, I got a re-imbursement from the same magistrate last week for a speeding ticket I fought and won some money back from. $54 check still sitting at home. I was thinking I should pay my collateral to fight this ticket with that check! haha, but I don’t think they would find that irony as funny as me. Also, i was telling my sister this and she said she knows the officer really well. She was a volunteer fire fighter with him and she said he’s a cool guy. Maybe he’ll be less likely to show up if I have my sister bake him some cookies or donuts or something.

Well thats my rant from yesterday. I hope someone finds it entertaining. Moral of the story: If you have a hide-a-way license plate - don’t hide it in front of a cop!

haha… definitely an interesting story, it could have been worse!

LOL…nice 1 slick

well good luck,
but just b/c the cop doesnt show up, doesnt mean that you are off scott-free… you could still easily be found guilty

Yeah, I know it’s possible. How fucked up is that? Guilty until proven innocent. But my track record for cop no shows gives me 100% out of tickets. I’ll fight to keep it that way. It’s not like I was intentionally driving around with no plate. Its fully legal [when it’s up], so I was hoping for a warning. Oh well, next time it will be up all the way.

good story, good luck in court. should be able to get out of it.

:rofl:

haha good story man

but arent your lights still illegal? as you moddified the stock light setup to something thats not factory equipted? the locations and style of the lights are totally not stock S-10 style… this is what i thought the rule was.

haha good story man

but arent your lights still illegal? as you moddified the stock light setup to something thats not factory equipted? the locations and style of the lights are totally not stock S-10 style… this is what i thought the rule was.

what kind of points did that bring??? i’m guess that’s still considered a moving violation… those suck

NOPE! Have you ever seen a pickup converted to a flatbed? Or a pickup body with a hauler arm on the back? Or even some commercial trucks that are just big ass tool boxes as bed sides? I know I sure have, and none of them use factory lights. But, mine are in fact factory wrangler lights. The only slight thing they could bust my balls on about the tail lights at the present time is that they are not really viewable from the side… but I have a solution to that which I just haven’t drilled a hole for yet. Nowhere in the law does it say you need factory lights… it just says the brightness/placement/size requirements that the factory lights have to meet.

No points, just a fine. He wrote it as a general traffic violation.

how nice of him…

i just woud love to see his face when he saw YMESIR :rofl:

“what the fuck is a ‘yuh-MAY-sur’? is that arabic?”

Whos the magistrate?

Rochester. The magistrate office is in Freedom though. I don’t know which judge.

He had no reaction to it at all! I know he saw it because that was his main concern. He also hand wrote it on the ticket… maybe he didn’t get it, but I would hope thats not the case.

I’m sure he got it

idk, what if it read the old “FQ-ID10T”
I am thinking he never seen the humor in it, he was probably stuned that the light came up on actuators!

Have you concidered attaching that switch to the ingnition wire, so it will come up every time you start the engine, and go down after shutting it off?
You could also connect it reversed thru the e-brake, so as soon as the ebrake comes off the plate goes up, and when you set the brake the plate goes down?
Just a thought…