Thanks guys for the help. It’s good to know that there are some guys hear that know what they are talking about and not just putting up coments just for shits and giggles.
Thanks, I wish I could run A v-mount. Works great and looks sick. However it will be a daily driven car no matter what(anything else to me just does not make sence). Cost has to be part of the thought process as well, I wish I could afford anything that my eyes get wet for(and other parts). I think that I will end up with a high quailty FMIC that will fit best in my front end. So far I think that I will end up with the BLITZ. Its seems to have the best of both worlds. Not to big or small and is very efficent.
if you are looking to save money. try a yonaka motorsports ic i have one in my 240sx and it works great. right now im running a 12x9x3 and it works great it should be good up to 400hp. id go bar n plate tho its much stronger the tube and fin.
Just so everyone can make an informed decision keep in mind Adam H. is arguably the fastest driver on SON. He also built what is arguably the fastest track 240sx in this half of the country and has set at least 2 track records while racing Solo 1. He has been one of the fastest drivers in Solo 1 in a variety of classes for years.
2005 Solo 1 1st in GT3 Class
2004 Solo 1 4th in SGT1 Class
2003 Solo 1 4th in SGT3 Class
2002 Solo 1 1st in CSP Class
2000 Solo 1 3rd in CSP Class
1999 Solo 1 3rd in CSP Class
He is also the owner/operator of Ontario Race Fabrication…of course he probably doesn’t know the first thing about building a fast car so you shouldn’t listen to him.
If you just want a FMIC kit why not save some money and buy the Greddy V-SPL instead? At the current exchange rate it’s really affordable to get from the USA.
I would not save money, It’s more money? Do you think that its going to be that much better then the Blitz(it’s said that they are very effient)? Or at this point am I just paying more to have a fully polished Cooler and piping?
P.S. Both ADAM and BAS are making ALMOST the same point, they are just saying it in different ways and getting into alittle bit of a conversation.
Both of them have given me some valid points and like I said before. I respect there input and It’s good to have guys here that know what they are talking about, not just putting up stupid shit. Car guys will always have a competitve nature and thats COOL TOO.
I agree with BAS…on the street a smaller turbo and smaller IC do make sense…since its a street car… however IF you are concerned about sheer power and road racing…then I feel my comments before are true…
BTW… thanks for the above props… yes I have been racing for quite a while… both NA and turbo 240sx’s against alot of cars…almost every car that has been built…
In ICs there are 2 main factors to worry about.
Flow and Cooling capacity.
The core is responsible for cooling capacity (thermal efficiency). It is also responsible for flow. With the standard sized components used in most bar and plate ICs, or the tube thicknesses in T&F ICs it is hard to strike a balance.
Without writing a thesis about it (although I’m sure some will want one)
The best air-air IC possible for high apps is one that has a relatively straight channel through it BUT has the most delicate (lightest possible) components. It will still have a stronger face than the tube and fin while having a MUCH thinner heat transfer plane (plate).
Most are 0.6mm but some are 0.4mm (Spearco, Alchemy, the new Vibrant units) and that small difference is enough that the same cooling (in many cases better) as a much denser (read restrictive and heavy) core would provide while having less pressure drop, less heat soak, and superior flow per equivalent core size. Next is the bar sizing. Many of the cheaper ic’s have very thick bars which while needed on industrial 10+bar applications, are not desireable on a core which will likely never ,ever see 3 bar.
The second flow factor is the endtank design. I understand the need for special applications that have oddly angled inlets ie, V-mount (suffer from vacuum induced reversion), SRT4, Buschur short piping (90 degrees from core flow) etc, but in a way these decrease flow and are often detrimental to maximizing core abilities.
Ideal would be diagonally placed inlets. Since that is also often impractical, we should look for tapered endtanks that at least try to keep flow of air even across the core and transition smoothly from core to inlet, no matter what path it takes.
www.tyrantmotorsports.com
check the one that he is using on his NHRA streetclass silvia.
Ask for one of those. That should more than suffice for anyone on this board. Core is 24x10x4 and should totally do the trick for any of us.
agreed completely, the best endtanks are either the spearco style long taper log things or the curved hks ones with the smooth transitions
the hks ones double the length of the i/c however and that’s probably a negative for most people, also hks cores are not so hot, if you get one custom made from a good core and hks endtanks for a reasonable price go for it…
the spearco side to side vertical core units flow very well since the cores are “short” to the air, at any point the air only passes through 6" or so and it’s back in an endtank, the spearco cores are very efficient making this feasible, other knockoff designs may flow as well but will not cool as well…
one of the major problems with any endtank is flow distribution, most like megan racing or like what bing sells send like 70% of the air through 50% of the core, whereas the sprearco one will send a varying amount at any point but overall evenly flows the whole core
the effect of poor distribution is of course less heat removal, that a “hot” spot in the bottom half will occur lets say, and that section will not effectively cool the charge air
heat reduces density and therefore increases flow, physical restrictions such as size reduce flow, the best i/c for your car maybe the one you’d never consider using
that said I know people just like a big shiny pretty filling up their faschia even if it looks better than it works
these are all great comments but the main factor in chioce and design for 99% of people is ALWAYS going to be cost vs bennifit, or perceived bennift. You think 'B-ling ling ’ is making money from his IC’s because they are superior ? no he’s making money because they are cheap. The discussion SHOULD focus back to properly sizing and fitting a IC to the Turbo you have chosen. That’s the best course to take with this topic as not many are willing to spend over $350-400 for a course alone, then another $5-600 for high eff. end tanks…
Seriously BAS. I know what you mean , but what if the two things weren’t mutually exclusive?
What if $4-500cdn was all that it took to have the same as what spearco would try to sell for 6-700?
Seriously BAS. I know what you mean , but what if the two things weren’t mutually exclusive?
What if $4-500cdn was all that it took to have the same as what spearco would try to sell for 6-700?
Well I tried to educate people, give them the other side to the ‘sales pitch’ and almost got banned for it. Was berated for even trying to do it by the people selling the product, even had my business threatened to be destroyed. IT’s hard to ‘educate’ when the very people selling here are also the ones controlling the flow of information without morally integrity.
Well I tried to educate people, give them the other side to the ‘sales pitch’ and almost got banned for it. Was berated for even trying to do it by the people selling the product, even had my business threatened to be destroyed. IT’s hard to ‘educate’ when the very people selling here are also the ones controlling the flow of information without morally integrity.
Not the point, most people will buy the cheapest one they can find, period… regardless of style, shape and fit. They choose not to listen or simply don’t care, allot of people just what a huge IC for the sake of having a huge IC regardless of the spanking they would take by someone with a ‘tuned’ turbo IC match. All you can do is try to inform these people about the correlation between the turbo and the IC… making the right match up.
