no 5 years ago they didnt have shit for models back then.(well they had stuff, but not like they do today) and i was comparing losi vs hpi back then. hpi had more to offer (more stuff to waste money on) I have Losi/assoiiated/traxxas/hpi/team oshi parts books(everything they sold) from 2003-present. ill drop them off some time if you want them.