Actually here it is same offset cause your drawing sucked ass and i edited it again:
The wheels are the exact same, except the line i drew is where the dish of the wheel is. This is not a photorealistic drawing here so cut the bs, its a representation. And yeah its figurative so dont be a jack ass about it, your drawing sucked even more. It’s explaining the idea between placing something in between the hub and the wheel dish to space it out. It’s not a photograph. If the above are the SAME tire with the same wheel with the same offset, and u placed something in between the wheel dish this is what happens.
You place something in between the dish, you space it out, the wheel moves out. Voila.
This aint going no where oh well. Okay ill go back to school :roll:
Dude, why are you so dumb? One, I never insulted your drawing, I insulted your skills of perception. The fact is that you don’t UNDERSTAND these concepts, not that you can’t draw them well.
Please, stop editing my drawing, and look at it… It features a wheel with a spacer, and a lower offset wheel without a spacer. Both having the same final offset, both putting the same load on the suspension. You first hacked it up into… I don’t even know what, and now you hacked it into a wheel with a spacer, and the same wheel without a spacer. That merely illustrates that lower combined offsets apply a higher loading on the hub and by extension the suspension.
I can’t believe none of the nazis here have chimed in to explain this properly.
I’m not the best one to explain it, but it’s extremely common knowledge that spacers put negative stress on wheel bearings.
a_ahmed’s theory of the pencil was absolutely accurate - it transforms a vertical motion (how wheels are designed) in to an angled motion, with extra leverage at that.
I quote:
“Hold a pencil in your hand, and imagine putting weight on it in he center and holding one end. Now imagine holding the pencil at that same end but putting the weight on the other end instead of in the middle. The strain and stress is greater. While with properly offset wheels, this doesn’t get added, i’d demonstrate it visually if i wasn’t lazy to draw it lol.”
The center… and holding at one end. And then he drew a line passing through the middle. If you understood offset, that would mean that the wheel has ZERO offset. Adding the spacer pushed it into negative offset, and he drew a weird little red line that represents absolutely nothing. Then he drew a wheel with negative offset that matches the combined offset of the original wheel with added spacer. Other than making an utter ass of himself, he accomplished nothing. The added stress on the bearings is an issue of balancing, and it only occurs with NON hub and wheel centric spacers, because there is no lip to center the wheel. However, using an aftermarket wheel whose lip does NOT mate to nissan hub will cause the same vibrations and imbalances.
Why do neither of you actually use your own heads to think rather than just repeating what “you’ve heard somewhere”?
Now you’re being an ass making me sound like said something else. I could have drawn you ANY offset you want i just chose to draw the wheel dish in center (eg; 0 not + or - offset), and only drew the drawing for sake of showing the difference between having a wheel with the same offset with and without a wheel spacer. Anyways like I said… pointless.
I need to take a stick and hit you with it THE OTHER end of it so it hurts more than if I tried to hit you with the inside of the stick It’s very very basic physics lol…
Play with a stick… bend it… hit with it with different points.
A pencil something smaller in size, will break easier if you hold the EDGES of it and bend it. Go try it right now. It’s not something ‘we heard’, it’s just basic physics. It puts extra strain. If you take that pencil and hold the end of it and hhold the center of it, and try to break it, it will be a tad bit harder to break than if you were holding the pencil at both ends and bending it.
YOU DO NOT UNDERSTAND BASIC PHYSICS YOU MORON. YOU ARE APPLYING THE FORCE WITH THE SAME LENGTH OF LEVER THUS ACHIEVING THE SAME TORQUE. STOP USING AN ANALOGY THAT DOESN’T APPLY TO THE SITUATION.
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I assure you, I know more physics than you even know exists, now PLEASE STFU.
I agree that ahmed isn’t explaining very well, but he’s absolutely right that there are negative effects on the car when running a spacer and if you have any love for your wheel bearings you wouldn’t run a spacer unless it was absolutely necessary for your wheels to fit properly.
lol go check out my car pics, I FINALLY got to drive my baby… after breaking my bloody hand… and I mean finally after all the modifications were done to it yay
It’s kind of neat cause… besides noting the car is lowered to the ground and has dif rims and tires, no body realizes how much the car’s suspension and brakes have been drastically changed
I finally drove her today man i’m pretty happy alhamdulillah… thank God… it’s beautiful. I set it to 3 front and 3 rear (KYB AGX), it corners nice and flat. I went relatively fast in and out on a really really winded exit/entry ramp and a few 90 degree turns on the street… it handles great… I’m really happy Can’t wait to drive her tomorrow again! I’d run it stiffer if only the damn roads weren’t as crappy!
It corners real flat and is quite responsive, plus I love the feeling of the steering wheel, it feels direct, i can read the road very well as it is. I haven’t pushed it to the limit no sir… my hand is still not at it’s finest… still healing… but I took the cast off… I was getting frickin annoyed and it started stinking and being sticky cause some water got inside the cast haha…
Okay… Lets go throught this again without me yelling and this time you guys actually reading.
The reason why spacers are bad, is that there exists what we call non-hub centric and non-wheel centric spacers. A hub-centric spacer, has a little inside lip, so it can rest on the little lip of the hub, so it can be centered. The lug nuts do not center the hub or wheel since there is too much gap. They simply prevent the wheel from falling off, and provide resistance to the driving torque. A wheel-centric spacer has this same lip on the outside, to do the hub’s work and center your wheel. If the spacer is not hub and wheel centric, your wheel with vibrate at high speeds, and bad voodoo will happen to you. However, if you run an aftermarket wheel with a different sized inside lip from your stock wheel, you will run into this same situation. That’s why you have to put in the little plastic lip modifier to make your wheel center properly.
This moment is NOT related to the length of the studs in any way, which by the way is the only thing that changes when you run a spacer.
NOW. What a_ahmed was talking about with his pencil, is a moment arm. The moment arm multiplies the force being applied to it by its length creating a moment (more commonly known as torque). However, what a_ahmed DOESN’T understand is the loading on the wheel. It is being applied on the outer surface of the tire as a distributed load, so the moment arm is the entire length of tire, outside of the hub like so:
Because we actually have some remote technical understanding of how our vehicles work, rather then being rich as hell and simply buying all the most expensive parts for our car and kinda hoping they’ll work. How are those 12/10’s working out on the street? Had to rebuild them yet?
Seriously, it’s NOT okay to talk when you don’t know, THIS is why we make fun of n00bs.
THE OTHER end of it so it hurts more than if I tried to hit you with the inside of the stick 
