Maf, that’s where I differ with the majority of the people on this board. I don’t care whatsoever how fast I go in a straight-line. I don’t want a turbo build, nor do I care about crazy horsepower. My goal is to have a fun, reliable car where I don’t have to downshift to 2nd gear to go up a hill. Building an N/A d series is retarded. So, I went with an h22… decent i/h/e, i should be high 13’s (which is more than fast enough for me). Other than that, I really don’t care.
When the H2B first came out, it was a cheap alternative to a k-series swap, which at the time were still roughly 8k to complete.
I am the same about the straight line crap. Your build makes sense, just look at the numbers. Then again if you were one to do a turbo build and turbo a stock D you could again get a better ratio than your H :tong
Yea… but I love the thought of N/A. I contemplated going boosted D before, thought about B series, thought about ITR, all that jazz. I don’t plan on doing much to my motor at all… and just wanted something quick. That’s why H is perfect for me. The power is good, it’s N/A, there’s not much I have to do to it…
Trust me, if I started my build when h2b’s were starting to get popular I would have… but now I’m stuck with the H tranny. oii ;p.
I think my junky b20 can beat you all for price and performance. But really what its comes down to is that K series is king, no debating. H2b can be nasty but its still hard to compete with k20’s with a couple of simple bolt ons.
B20 would be an interesting one to add to the list.
No doubt the K20 is a hell of a motor, what can you expect. But when discussing the prices of after market components and the purchase and install of the swap it self it simply doesn’t top our power/price list… yet. Parts for it will become less expensive over time and it will start moving up.
96 dx hatch, 99-00 front end conversion… I love it. I can’t wait to get the damn thing done so I can start participating in the tri-vette events, and auto-x’s…
lawl, thank you! :thumb Not everyone can find killer deals on K Series swaps. But my initial point from the beginning in any debate was that an H2B is a cheaper alternative to the K Series. Ontop of that, stock for stock… there are several debates/topics/threads on HT supporting that the h2b runs VERY similar times to a K series.
k20, I can find a million things wrong with your post. I keep going back and reading it and still seeing more thats wrong. You list the complete changeover h22 for 2200 and then list the k20 as 3500. Why don’t you take both from one source? k20 type s is 4000. FYI: If you want the type r you’ll be looking at 1500 more.
…not to mention you also need a clutch & flywheel. The price of the h2b kit includes mounts, clutch & flywheel. Stuff you need for a swap anyways… you’re paying roughly nothing for the actual H2B portion of the kit. :banana Could you be anymore one-sided?
Weren’t you complaining about your times @ LVD because of the ‘shitty’ tune?
In this situation I do agree with Joey. I’d MUCH MUCH rather have a K20 swap.If for only MAYBE a little bit more money, why wouldn’t I want a motor that’s a decade newer? The K20 responds much better to mods and such, and if you wanna turbo it and run any amount of boost, you don’t NEED to use forged pistons and sleeve the bottom end. The K20 to me seems like a much more versitile motor, and I honestly would love an EK or EG hatch w/ a K24/K20R swap and tons of suspension mods for a track car.
Sooo…stock = I/H/E? Laff. You also forgot to mention Kpro and tuning…neither of which are free. I’m all for Kseries…I love the motor to death but it seems that every single person that I have seen with a kswap thinks they have the most powerful motor in the world and never shuts up about it. I’m not a fan of H2B’s either…Cliff knows I’m not. But for guys putting a swap together on a budget…it’s by faaar a better option than a k20 swap(especially a k20z1). Even more so if the person has parts left from a previous B/H swap(which is the case for like 90% of H2B guys). Noone will ever win this retarded debate because it’s going to end up something like “Nasa just emailed me, they want to borrow my K20 to power the next Discovery launch”…or “I seen a guy piece together an H2B swap for $17.93”.
Oh btw…K20(typeS) = 210hp/143tq. H22(typeS) = 210hp/160tq. Not bad for an out dated motor eh?
Well in order to do a K swap, you need a header, the stock exhaust manifold will not fit around the steering rack. And a stock airbox is not fitting either, nor will anyone get a motor with an airbox most likely.
No kidding, if i had an H series and had parts laying around why not?
Someone that has a civic, with no clue what they’re doing, sends it to a shop for a motor swap, they’re getting raped whether they do the K series or the H series the labor won’t differ too much from either install…You’re talking a few hundred to no more than a grand in price difference because there are no breaks when a shop does it, you’re getting everything at cost. I’ll give in and say $4k for a K series since Cliff’s rules are you HAVE to take prices from the same source. so whatever, $4k…you get the motor and tranny. H2B, you get the H22 type-s motor, 2500 then find a B series tranny, say you want the best one (ITR tranny) you’re $500 off getting a K20 and you still need to get the tranny adapting plate, so why not fork over the extra $500 to get motor & tranny
That fair enough Cliff? just for the motor and tranny no other parts…
K20a w/ tranny - $4,000 H22 - $2,500 + ITR B series tranny + Tranny plate
I really could careless guys, i did a K20 swap, couldn’t be happier with the performance and all this on the forum is giving me something to do, so i just keep it going :lol
I fully understand your view. You got an awesome deal on your swap and it’s a GREAT swap. But 99% of everything you say about it…comes off as “my motor > your motor”…or “My car is faster than yours”. You may not mean to…everyone reads it and thinks the same. If I could magically manifest a motor into my either of my cars… it would be a Kseries…but I wouldn’t have a constant hardone about it and act like it’s THE best motor on the planet. Just relax about the K’s and deal with the fact that other humans don’t have/want/like them.
