nice, good to have smart friends hey. i would have known what to do haha, that still probably illegal for him to do that too. they need to have their lights flashing and sirens going for them to speed dont they? so yah good move.
Well techincally they can “citizens arrest” as he was also a off duty police officer. But even if he was pissed that we just drove away, i didnt do anything he didnt aswell as; no proof of racing, no proof of speeding, and it would never hold up in court.
I had a friend with suped up srt-4 and his twin brothers bright orange civic haha, and anyways they were driving beside each other and we were yelling to each other through the window and find out where we were going to eat. (while doing the speed limit) and a cop pulled us over and charged them both with some kind of racing/stunting ticket and said if they are guilty in court they will have licenses revoked. They both went to court and it took literally 10 minutes each infront of the judge to prove the officer wrong. Later on we found out that it was the dad of one of these kids we went to school with, and he wont let this kid have a car over 90hp haha. Very stereotypical.
Do you think the police need videotape to get someone convicted of a crime? Go sit in court for a day. You’ll quickly realize that isn’t the case. No offense, but if the bill doesn’t pass, it won’t be for those reasons.
It is not illegal to drive a car without a catalytic converter in Alberta.
And this is one of the reasons why Alberta is the best province in Canada.
No, as of right now, he can’t “citizens arrest” a street racer. To do so, it has to be an indictable offence. Like I said before, it is not one yet, and may never be. The only other way you can do a citizens arrest is if the person has commited a criminal offence and is being persued by police. But even then, it’s a risky thing to do and could result in an assault charge.
no cats are legal? wtf!!! when i got extimates on custom exhausts so many ppl said you have to have atleast 1 cat, i was thinking in my head hmmm that gay! woohoo im going to rip out both cats asap then. not like the law was going to stop me anyways haha.
Do you think the police need videotape to get someone convicted of a crime? Go sit in court for a day. You’ll quickly realize that isn’t the case. No offense, but if the bill doesn’t pass, it won’t be for those reasons.[/quote]
That is very very true. While i was waiting to fight my red light ticket (lost horribly in the winter, along with 15 other people haha) but i was watching the other cases before that and police officers have a huge influence on whether is a big case or not. One guy got a stunting ticket just because they cop drove in as he saw snow everywhere. Didnt even bring up proof of the tire tracks, he didnt need to. No video or anything, and he was proven guilty.
Only thing is that if you have a proper arguement (not nessesarily to prove you right, but to prove them wrong) you can win most any case without valid proof. Just not enough people realize they can actually put up a fight and not just “surrender”. Just like fighting any speeding ticket you get aswell as showing up for any offence even if you know you will lose, cause if they cop doesnt show up, you lifted of your charge.
No, as of right now, he can’t “citizens arrest” a street racer. To do so, it has to be an indictable offence. Like I said before, it is not one yet, and may never be. The only other way you can do a citizens arrest is if the person has commited a criminal offence and is being persued by police. But even then, it’s a risky thing to do and could result in an assault charge.[/quote]
And i guess citizens arrest wasnt the right word, just meant that if i actually did pull over i dont know what he could do cause he is off duty but from my knowledge he can still charge you. But wouldnt hold up very well, unless the judge gets hold of pictures of your car and hes very bias.
Not all cases are won if the officer doesn’t show up to court. I went to court over a “stunting” charge where, within the first month of owning my car, went up a hill, which was slicked with ice, with my summer tires. I barely made it up that hill. I saw my buddy up there and that’s why i turned up there, to go talk to him. A cop comes up with his lights on and parks behind me and said that I was stunting and issues me a ticket. I went to court 4 times. . .with proof of my tires, the ice etc . . .and the cop never showed up for those 4 times. I said to hell with it the 5th time and then they make me guilty for it.
WTF?
lol well if you would have searched up the proper 5.2 section (blah blah blah) with your rights and etc. Then you could have been gone the first time. Because thats your legal right. You showed up for your court date and its the police officers responsiblily to show up, even under whatever emergency.
:lol: :lol: You’re going to let your future election decision hinge on this one little issue?
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Hahaha, no, not quite. To paraphrase a journalist I agree with, Harper has a tendancy to disregard those who don’t see the world exactly as he does. I don’t consider myself especially informed politically, but things like banning cameras from the arrival of troops bodies, ignorant laws like this, all allude to an attitude that I’m not a fan of. And to quote Robin Williams from his upcoming movie, “Politicians are like diapers and should be changed frequently and for the same reason.” Besides, I’m a leftist by nature anyway. 
B-Wurm 
*Edit:
While technically federal regulations require that cars have some form of emissions control, Alberta doesn’t do emissions testing. So us catless folk are in the clear 
to whomever it was on the first page saying that organized street racing was gay or looking for a race on a friday was gay? man, you weren’t at regina last night:P it absolutely rocked 12 or 13 of hot imports, i’ve never seen fast and the furious with my own eyes
sweet nice to see a shit load of nice cars lined up in a parking lot.
haha regina, dont u need an suv to drive in saskatchewan? the roads are soooo bad. i used to live in s-toon
ya roads are bad but main street(albert street) is a pretty flat 15 kilomiter rd(with like, a bumpy 1/2 kilomiter bus lane) and thats it ahh man, i wish ya guys were here…any other reginians on here?
Here is my “gibberish” on the subject:
Hmm no-body will risk to "citizen arrest " you first of all. If there is no conviction/charges at the end that’s “false imprisonment"a criminal charge. Also when it comes down to see what’s street legal or not on the vehicle , officer will need a warrant to inspect/take away your private property(vehicle). If they start ticketing people like candy , people shouldn’t pay those fines and go to court and arrange a trail. Let judge decide wrong/right , as well if you have 200$ ticket and you spend 1 hour in court questioning the cop: his experience/training, maybe bring in a similar case or 2 where defendant won the case etc use ur head… Even if you don’t get off it still cost government way over 200$ for officer’s time, judge, court clerk, etc. That will get some hands slapped for issuing fines with no chance of conviction, if not at least you got your money worth and harassed a cop legally. Ask him some dumb shiet like:” if i was your son , relative in this particular case would you issue a fine or just let me off with a warning? Have you ever let people off with a warning for same/similar offence?. How am i different from individuals you warned vs fining? And why?” Everyone should be equal in from of the law if you can proof otherwise you win.
Government doesn’t fix problems haha they just patch it so it looks like their doing something about it. Even if they move it to criminal code conviction , criminal code itself is what needs work first of all. Sentences are a joke for violent/repeated offenders anyway. If you kill someone with a vehicle that’s “manslaughter” which is already a criminal conviction. And if racing is a criminal conviction the penalty will be a joke.
Honestly do you think a judge will give you jail or a bigger fine than she would to a rapist/drug dealer/ armed robbery convict? And those guys get off jail free 80% of the time even when pleaded guilty.
People raced back in the 60’s and even made movies about it. People race now and they will in the future. A true solution would be government and police working with tuners on creating a mutual decision. I think if they kept “Edmonton Grand Prix” track open from when snow melts till it falls again. And keep it free, or sell annual membership. Hire a dude and keep it open 11am to 10pm daily, also hospital is near by so if there is a crash requiring medical assistance dude can call them. Add a few straight-aways for dragging and some open lots for people to setup/tune the vehicles. This way people don’t have to go far(BUDPARK), its open 90% of the time and its affordable. And they can even profit a bUck or 2 by selling race gas etc This way if i need to set up my suspension, tune some fuel maps etc or even race your buddies new ride we can go there and have fun. But if i gotta just try to scare people off it will only work for short while till they understand what the maximum punishment may be, and there is a few cases where people got off creating legal loopholes.
Just my 2c , some may not agree but I am not looking for an argument.
the cops wont race you then flash u their badge…its called E.N.T.R.A.P.M.E.N.T a nifty little thing that sais cops cant mislead you making you think that they are “street racers” when they are cops
A few reasons why cops are more into traffic violations rather than trafficking violations. . . there’s less risk, it’s profitable, and it’s easier.
And on nismo’s point that everyone should be made equal before the law. A few buddy’s of mine are cops, and they say if you get caught speeding (laser/radar) you are allowed to ask and see it (as proof), they can’t deny you that. You can also ask for their radar licence and if they don’t have it the ticket is void.
In one incident, a cop said that I was speeding (I was doing the speed limit, I JUST got my licence back and wasn’t taking any chances.) and pulls me over. I ask him to show me the radar (he said i was doing 15kph over legal limit) and he denies me that. I told him to write that down on the ticket, he said no, threw the ticket in my car and walked off. I was ready to win this one in court but my parents paid the ticket when I was out of town, so I was “guilty”.
Has anything like this happened to you?
Entrapment yes, just like getting a female cop to dress up like a hooker than go and find a guy who wants to sleep with her and arrest him (forcing someone to do something illegal). Either way, when he was racing me, its almost as if he could have said “he was chasing me” and either way i would have no worries about taking that to court. And just like you guys were saying about asking them questions, asking for your radar license and proof etc, you are 100% allowed to ask that, but i would have just waited until your court date.
Aswell as it costing them money, in some cases, you can go right to the court house the day or within the week of getting the ticket and ask them if you pay the ticket can you have your demerits back. Because you are freeing up the court time and the officers time for you offence. So in some cases they might actually do that. Another way of keeping demerits, cause i dont care about paying the ticket, its the demerits and record, is to pay the ticket by mail and add 2$ extra than what the ticket says. They will recieve the payment, take what is needed and mail you back the 2$. Now since you have to cash that check, the transaction can never actually be complete and you dont have demerits removed from your license. My friend has done that twice and was going to tell them he never recieved it in the mail but no one has contacted them. He’ll accept it if they ask him but so far hes home free. And they didnt even ask him when he got pulled over last week when they checked his plate and stuff.