lol @ “nice and torqey”. I take it you’ve never driven a v8… KA & Torque does not compute…
To the OP, I honestly think this thread is completely useless. Expecting SON to post your build is asinine… Why don’t you have a serious talk with ADAM, maybe rent some space at ORF and learn from his development.
lol @ useless post above bashing my post. So awesome.
The KA is torquey, wana see piece of shit lack of torque? SR, nothing happens until 4000rpm.
See how lame and uneducated that sounds?
The KA is torquey for … WHAT IT IS… obviously you’re not going to compare it to a v8 in stock form.
As a matter of fact one of the reasons I want to get an LS instead of SR is because I have driven a v8. The SR is torqueless bellow 4-5 thousand rpms, there is no replacement for displacement. And yes indeed I’ve driven and been driven in an SR and “Do not want” although for track duty the high revs “do want”.
Lol@ your awesome insulting post.
I failed to mention V8 in the post above yours but an ounce of brain power will realize yes a v8 has more torque lookey here:
Now lookey here tuned KA NA:
And now lookey here SR:
A kat
And Im staying with the KA for now as I dont want to waste money on building and blowing an SR. I dont want a turbo.
And if you want to read about NA KA power go here:
http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread?id=226208&page=8
Guys discussing who built and/or raced GT1, GT2, GT3 240sx race cars with high race build KAs. Get in touch with them, for the right money if you really want they could build the same kind of KA for you. Of course it’s not going to be street legal. Neither is a 1000whp+ LS v8 but some idiot might run it. Likewise with any SR pushing crazy numbers, I really doubt anyone at that point cares or wants others to know whether their car is ‘street legal’.
lol, owned. i like the graphs by the way, guess that torque curve is why i liked shift locking my old 240 going into drifts.
just doesn’t seem to work as well with an rb20…
guy knows how to back his shit up mang
what classifies a car as street legal? like power wise? is there a limit?
lol now a days? If you have an air intake and an exhaust and the cop has a bad day… you’re going into lock up buddy!
But seriously how many guys think swapping a non north american motor into a local car is going to be street legal except through pulling a few strings as everyone does… likewise putting on fart cans, boosting it beyond stock, etc… "Street legal is such a loose word’. If anything passing emission should be the ‘limit’… and i doubt many stock KAs will pass emissions on this board. So keep it safe, don’t push it, don’t anoy the popos, don’t anoy the neighbourhood and you’ll be fine ha ha ha ha…
lol, oh, i know all of that, but i was just wondering like, is there a certain amount of power that is stated as the maximum for a certain amount of cylinders, or displacement?
I don’t think so. Its not really set in stone as far as i know. It’s such a hypocrite system, as long as money is being made or saved it will be law.
It’s impossible to regulate or set in stone unless we are forced to not do ANYTHING on our cars which has been the attempted direction with some of the more recent laws. Only emissions is something that would be regulated, but emissions does not necessarily have to correlate with power or lack of power. I mean then the law would have to pick on hot roders that make easily 700-800whp with big gas guzzling big block v8s, be it NA, turbo or supercharged. It’s just a bullshit system, imho I just stay out of trouble and keep to myself and try not to break any oh so obvious laws. That’s just my personal view on it.
Gaurantee you 90% of the cars on here are not ‘legal’ in one way or another. An RB not only did not come in north america, it did not come in our cars, so technically its not legal BUT you could make it legal through a buncha string pulling just as hot rod v8 swaps are done.
Even a roll cage can be made legal by law on a ‘street driven’ car, getting it certified and what have you… but… whatever.
Just be safe and play smart and don’t be an eye sore for the law. Personally i’m against bullshit laws that limit our creativity and ability to own/operate our own property as we see fit (as long as we are not harassing/attacking others around us in some way or another with that property).
Rich, can you ban him? Pretty please. Just drop the ban hammer. I’ll buy you a beer, and I’m pretty sure others will as well. I know it sounds selfish, but I really don’t want to have to read Ahmed’s shit, it makes my head hurt.
See what happened here? See how this was a nice, non verbal diarreah discussion, then Aahmed, in 1 post, spewed more bullshit on the screen than the entire rest of the thread?
I see it. It happened.
I believe that 720hp is the legal limit.
No for sure info though.
As for motor swaps. As long as the engine size is the same or smaller. It is legal.
I’m still not seeing a lot of torque Ahmed? 160, should I be impressed with the torque?
You said “nice and torqey”, not “nice and torqey for what it is”. Verbatim “is nice and torqey and very rev happy its kind of fun.” Have you driven an rx7? That’s rev happy… Nevermind, real experience doesn’t account for anything. Ahmed is right, never wrong… what was I thinking.
Stock Mustang GT (4.6L)
Mustang (probably stock)
See the torque, now that’s “nice and torqey”.
I’ve driven many Mustang GT’s and owned a few 5.0L myself. My first car (86GT, 1996 was when I bought it) had mounds of torque, with street tires I was able to lift the front end off the ground… Now, compared to real sports cars, the mustang lacked in many departments, don’t get me wrong, I don’t idolize the car but I still respect them.
Conversely, my first 240sx (1999) was a stock KA and had 0 torque compared to my mustang. Even if I added 50 ft lbs, it’d still pale in comparison to a stock v8.
Of course, other motors have more torque then a measly 4.6L or 5.0L Ford v8. By no means am I saying this is a benchmark or the way to go.
If we compared the KA to most Honda motors (except the v6), we’d be laughing all the way to the bank… But the reality is, the KA without power adders isn’t a great platform to build.
Saying the KA is torquey is like saying my 150cc moped is powerful.
Aww you’re all hurting.
Cough roast, cough, see my LS1 dyno chart there, it shows what a v8 has torque wise. No need to post another v8 dyno chart.
Anyways no point with arguing with you, you’re awesome, you win 
Guess what? You call THAT torquey? That’s slow, oh no… oh no… OH THE HORROR NO!
Let me post some 8 liter v10 power:
Wait wait… wait… let me post a 12 liter v12 airplane motor and show you power!
Tssk tssk tssk calling a inline 4 torquey comparing it to a v8 oh the horror.
sarcasm. Clearly you just want to start a stupid fight as usual, and you call yourself a site mod/admin? Obviously (again) a v8’s flat torque and powerband is not going to compare to a KA. The KA… is torquey and revvy for an inline 4 shitbox inline4. Comparing it to something with more displacement and more cylinders is a joke.
Comparing it to say an inline 4 from a honda or to some smaller v6 is a legit comparison.
Now obviously you’re not in here to contribute to the OP’s question and you’re obviously not here to discuss anything useful but just to start a fight/bullshit oh a_ahmed omg omg as usual. You guys are pathetic and very childish. Grow the fuck up.
apples to apples, oranges to oranges guys, we all know that there’s no replacement for displacement, but i like the torque curve from the ka better than the sr. would it be safe to say that a ka-t would make that same amount of torque before boost? or would it be too much backpressure from the turbo to allow the engine to breathe properly before the boost hit?
The ka-t will obviously boost faster and make power sooner.
The only down side to the KA is the power fall off at 5500rpm. Mostly due to cam and also partially due to N60 MAF vs N62 MAF (what I’ve read from bigvinnie from zilvia – his discovery).
Most guys here are biased towards SRs because that’s for the most part what’s been done… that’s all.
In a nutshell then you end up with the same powerband, except SR will rev higher/make power higher while KA will make it much sooner but not go as high. You could always build up a proper head and cam setup for that higher up revability and power but whatever.
Thinking ka-t or SR I just said screw both and when the time is right ill save my $$$ and go LS v8… The amount of $$$ I’d spend building up tiny 4 bangers and blowing turbos… might as well go v8… The appealing thing about the LS v8s everything aside is their weight… and compactness. Since I’m building a car for road racing/track use… it appeals to me. If it was some heavy iron block v8 I wouldn’t do it… not here to build a drag racing car…
Even the all aluminum 3 liter VQ V6 is tempting… I mean sasha recently made 336whp out of it (insane), so much potential… and just like the LS v8… if ur hungry and needy for power, could do a rear mounted setup (maintain weight distribution even shift it backwards).
You can see how one’s imagination/planning/thinking takes you far… and how quickly all this gets expensive.
At the end of the day, no replacement for displacement…
Back on topic though… if you are serious about a race KA24E all NA… look at the nico thread I posted… those guys are someo f the guys that raced/built the 300whp KA24E NA race beasts from GT1/GT2/GT3 whatever 240 race cars
While I find it highly unlikely that Sasha holds the world record for N/A power out of a VQ (cause above 300whp is insanely rare, much less 336whp), it is far more unlikely that he shrunk his 3.5L to a 3L. You’ve proven time and again that instead of actually having experience with cars, you SKIM through online posts and regurgitate misinformation in a very hostile and arrogant manner.
You know why we hate you? Because your ignorant, uneducated, inexperienced ass always always talks down to everyone else. You know everything based on absolutely fucking nothing, and no one else knows anything. Ideally, someone would ban you from life, but if not, I’ll settle for them just banning you from SON.
lol you are really desperate aren’t you? Wow so I typed 3liter instead of 3.5liter when obviously it’s a vq35de (there is an actual vq30de though but I’m not mixing the two up)
It’s hilarious. So do you have anything useful to contribute in regards to a KA build or discussing anything else further in regards to other options such as a VQ? I think not.
Edit: here’s what a nice lil vq can do in a 240:
