If you’re arrested, you no longer have the right to find out why
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well not really but at least that got you in the thread
On 29 September 2006, the U.S. Senate approved a bill which would suspend habeas corpus for any alien determined to be an “unlawful enemy combatant engaged in hostilities or having supported hostilities against the United States”[2], [1] by a vote of 65-34. (This was the result on the bill to approve the military trials for detainees; an amendment to remove the suspension of habeas corpus failed 48-51.)
So basically the united states now holds people without ever informing them of why they’re being held.
Do you have a link? Care to define “alien”? Illegal alien? Temporary visa holder? E.T.?
Either way you’re not a citizen of this country, and you’re plotting against this country, so I’m sorry, but you do not get all the rights given to this country’s citzens.
alien, ie non-american-citizen…I agree they shouldn’t have all the rights Americans hold…the point is that they can be picked up & held by US Government agencies without ever being told why. That’s just wrong especially considering habeas corpus was implemented about 400 years before there even was an America.
Look, I don’t mind people being detained, questioned, even questioned “aggressively” I do however have a problem doing these things without ever having to show the people evidence against them, or even tell them specifically why they are being detained.
This is a dangerous road to walk down. Do on to others, after all.
oh noes… people that arent citizens and are possible/suspected threats to citizens safety arent going to have the rights i have.
heaven forbid… where will this conspiracy end? :bloated:
Link? I want to read the wording. This is shady as hell. How do you determine someone to be an unlawful enemy combatant engaged in hostilities or having supported hostilities against the United States? The vagueness and generality of this gives me the willies. Sounds kind of like a loophole bill.
yeah, they need to clarify this more. like it should say
“anyone named joe smith, that is an alien from iran, born on 10/8/72, and is 5’9” with brown hair…"
:word: They could at least specify a skin tone or dress code. :gotme:
Seriously though the quoted wording posted in this thread the bill would allow the US to detain without reason anyone who speaks out against he government.
Then you don’t see a problem with Iran picking you up, putting you in prison for the rest of your life without ever telling you why or proving anything to anyone? Except the secret evidence against you that you’re not allowed to see.
SEC. 7. HABEAS CORPUS MATTERS.
(a) In General- Section 2241 of title 28, United States Code, is amended by striking both the subsection (e) added by section 1005(e)(1) of Public Law 109-148 (119 Stat. 2742) and the subsection (e) added by added by section 1405(e)(1) of Public Law 109-163 (119 Stat. 3477) and inserting the following new subsection (e):
`(e)(1) No court, justice, or judge shall have jurisdiction to hear or consider an application for a writ of habeas corpus filed by or on behalf of an alien detained by the United States who has been determined by the United States to have been properly detained as an enemy combatant or is awaiting such determination.
`(2) Except as provided in paragraphs (2) and (3) of section 1005(e) of the Detainee Treatment Act of 2005 (10 U.S.C. 801 note), no court, justice, or judge shall have jurisdiction to hear or consider any other action against the United States or its agents relating to any aspect of the detention, transfer, treatment, trial, or conditions of confinement of an alien who is or was detained by the United States and has been determined by the United States to have been properly detained as an enemy combatant or is awaiting such determination.'.
(b) Effective Date- The amendment made by subsection (a) shall take effect on the date of the enactment of this Act, and shall apply to all cases, without exception, pending on or after the date of the enactment of this Act which relate to any aspect of the detention, transfer, treatment, trial, or conditions of detention of an alien detained by the United States since September 11, 2001.
And this is what it’s pertaining to: United States CODE:
§ 2241. Power to grant writ
(a) Writs of habeas corpus may be granted by the Supreme Court, any justice thereof, the district courts and any circuit judge within their respective jurisdictions. The order of a circuit judge shall be entered in the records of the district court of the district wherein the restraint complained of is had.
(b) The Supreme Court, any justice thereof, and any circuit judge may decline to entertain an application for a writ of habeas corpus and may transfer the application for hearing and determination to the district court having jurisdiction to entertain it. (c) The writ of habeas corpus shall not extend to a prisoner unless—
(1) He is in custody under or by color of the authority of the United States or is committed for trial before some court thereof; or
(2) He is in custody for an act done or omitted in pursuance of an Act of Congress, or an order, process, judgment or decree of a court or judge of the United States; or
(3) He is in custody in violation of the Constitution or laws or treaties of the United States; or
(4) He, being a citizen of a foreign state and domiciled therein is in custody for an act done or omitted under any alleged right, title, authority, privilege, protection, or exemption claimed under the commission, order or sanction of any foreign state, or under color thereof, the validity and effect of which depend upon the law of nations; or
(5) It is necessary to bring him into court to testify or for trial.
(d) Where an application for a writ of habeas corpus is made by a person in custody under the judgment and sentence of a State court of a State which contains two or more Federal judicial districts, the application may be filed in the district court for the district wherein such person is in custody or in the district court for the district within which the State court was held which convicted and sentenced him and each of such district courts shall have concurrent jurisdiction to entertain the application. The district court for the district wherein such an application is filed in the exercise of its discretion and in furtherance of justice may transfer the application to the other district court for hearing and determination.
Well, at worst, any non-citizen, but I think you’d still need to do more than speak out. Even so, if you’re not a citizen of a country, is it really a good idea to go to that country as a guest and start speaking out against the government?
No, because I’ll never be in Iran, much less be in Iran doing something shady enough to get the government looking at me. It’s real simple. If you’re not a citizen and don’t feel comfortable with this policy, simply don’t come here.
