Sad but true.

Fixed. :slight_smile:

meh, i just watched this 2 hour special on the discovery channel with tom brokaw (sp?) about global warmingā€¦and its pretty scary.

I guess another point im trying to make, is that a lot of people have a lot of money. Now, lot of those people care about having an efficient vehicle, energy saver appliances at home, etc. More and more of these rich people are buying these types of cars. How much is a full service on an enzo? Yet, there will never NOT be an owner for one. More people buying these types of cars means more hybrids and EVs being produced and they become cheaper, the technology within them becomes more advanced and BAM! Suzuki starts making electrics that will go 2000 miles on 1 charge and run an 11 second 1/4 mile.

Edit- And yes I know more electrics means more energy being used.

I think its hillarious how automotive has moved so ar forward in the last 20 years but cars only get ~30 MPG. My friend recently bought an '82 Caviler. Yep thatā€™s right the frist year they produced the caviler. On his recent rip to Cleveland he got 44 MPG out of a carburator, pushrods and a 4-speed trans. No OD folks! 4th is a direct gear, and this thing is shaped like a box. How come modern cars with variable valve timing, electronic DIS ignitions, fuel injection and more sensors than the Apollo moon landing craft canā€™t match that? Or how about diesel fuel and E85 which both cost about half to produce than gasoline cost exactly the same as gas. AHHH, capitolism at its finest.

*iā€™m sure the carā€™s madd light tooā€¦ since there were prolly like no options and a poor crash-test rating on it

but maybe iā€™m wrongā€¦

I think/hope we run out of oil before we cook this planet with greenhouse gases. No matter how good for the environment they are, alternative fuel vehicles will not gain popularity until they are cheaper to own and operate than gas vehicles.

Itā€™s not catching on in the US, the most developed country in the world, because people canā€™t/wonā€™t afford it. People in 2nd and 3rd world countries donā€™t and canā€™t give a flying fuck about what their car does to the environment when they need to get to work as cheaply as possible to make a buck an hour to feed themselves.

At this point in time hybrids are a fad for rich Americans to feel good about themselves.

If it were an option for myself, I would totally rock a straight up electric for daily driving and a windmill in my backyard. :tup:

E85 isnā€™t a great ideaā€¦

most of our corn producing states have no railroads / waterway access to distribute it around the USā€¦ itā€™s gonna have to be by trucks, which is expensive as fuuuuck

yes trucking is expensiveā€¦ but when corn producing states ramp up production to feed an e85 driven US, the shipping cost will drop pretty fast do to the sheer volume of corn and fuelā€¦ oh and even the backwater areas of the midwest have railroads, so I donā€™t really see too huge of a problemā€¦

If youve watched/read about how quickly we are changing the earths climate and how we are speeding up the GHE, you would know that that will never happen.

Corn sucks for e85 anyway, hemp is the way to go.

from http://www.fueleconomy.gov , and http://www.safercar.gov/:

1985 Chevrolet Cavalier
4 cyl, 2.0 L, Manual (4 sp), (FFS), Regular 26/35 - 30 MPG combined

2004 Chevrolet Cavalier
4 cyl, 2.2 L, Manual (5-sp), (NA), Regular 26/37 - 30 MPG combined
Vehicle curb weight: 2594 lbs

wonder how much the '82/'85 cars weighedā€¦