best post in this thread.
stop arguing about which is better… it doesnt matter.
But i can say for sure these beat the shit out of D2’s.
I had Kei Office coils last summer and they were so fucking stiff they cracked my shock tower. (Even though it would of cracked anyway.) They were 12/10 I think. They didn’t say anything on the coils themselves ,but it’s what I gathered from looking online. And I had them at the stiffest setting cause all the other 3 settings would just bounce all over the place.
The Stance are so much more comfortable, but seem to hold the road just as well if not better. I’m ganna start playing around with the settings to see what works for me, I’m at 6 all around now.
Yup, i’m jealous that I can’t slam my car 
why dont you ask Andrew Cassidy or Sasha Anis about how good Stance are after tens of thousands of km’s on the track?
I’m not sure why Stance allows you to drop your car lower than a megan does - the limitations are in the design of the car and it’s multi-link/fender/etc – not in the coilover. Both of them have shit tons of room left to drop when the wheels start hitting stuff.
As far as the comparison between the two - I don’t sell either of these products so I have no bias towards either of them.
At dunnville on tuesday I tracked two 240s, one with stance and one with megan. Both coilovers are very very similar in feel, in dampening and in performance overall. The stance are more comfortable, despite the higher spring rates (higher quality dampening perhaps), while the megans are stiffer and flatter in the corners.
As far as the “more feel per click” This isn’t even an argument. The clicks on a stance are more than twice as effective as a click on a megan but to think that this is better is just silly. The megans are 32 way adjustable while the stance is 15 way adjustable - the range from absolute softest to absolute hardest is similar but the stance get there in less clicks, TECHNICALLY SPEAKING the megans have finer adjustment which some would argue is better (more accurate?) but personally I couldn’t care less - I would be happy with 10 clicks because I’m an amateur who doesn’t benefit from such fine adjustments… less clicks doesn’t meant less adjustment, it means a bigger difference in clicks (generally speaking).
Overall, the stance should be better because they’re 30% more expensive than megan racing. In my eyes, they’re slightly better overall but are they 30% better? that’s still something up for debate.
PS - I heard through the grapevine that Sasha has been having some issues with his stance already? Possibly a rumor. Maybe he can clarify for us. He raced a lot longer on his d2’s than he has on his Stance.
i havent heard that, but it wouldnt surprise me.
i dont want to have this arguement from a vendor stand point because i honestly dont care which one we agree on is better because i dont think we really know what we are talking about in the grand scheme of things.
comparing shock dyno’s and having professionals go over them and discussing which plot is better for which purpose would be the only thing of value.
Most of the problems i see or hear people have with their products are almost ALWAYS install related. By that i mean that people fuck it up and then blame the product. I was hearing some funny noises from my coilovers the past two days, but i didnt say anything because as i just said, more than 8 out of 10 times its your own fault. And in this case it was, i simply didnt tighten the bolts at the perch hard enough.
In John’s (logik) case the spring noise is common. It happened on my D2’s and it should go away as the bearing works itself in. What i did to get around that was i bolted the coilover into the shock tower but not the spindle… then i man handled it a bit. Short of putting it in a vice there are few other ways to get some torque behind your muscle in a way that isnt going to damage anything.
These are not Stance issues, they are coilover issues. All coilovers are the same from a feature point of view. They all have a lower bracket, they all have a threaded damper, they all have a spring with some collars and a camber plate. The only significant difference is in the internals of the damper. I’ve cracked open some D2’s but have not cracked open anything else so i cant comment on it.
Some people get spring pop, some people get their springs undthreading and their car lowering or raising as a result. It’s happened to me on 2 different sets of D2’s and i am sure it will happen on the Stance’s as well.
Obviously when you get 1500 people buying the same unit over the course of 10 months you are going to end up selling them to at least 50 plugs who are on zilvia and blurt out all the short comings of the product even though they themselves made the mistake.
I am sure there is a very simple solution to preventing the spring pop, be it lubricating the perches so the spring slides and doesnt move with the damper, or just working it the bearing.
blah blah poo fart
jonh, how did you feel the car over bumps with megan.
i HEARD its very bumpy and the rebound sucks on the megan. some might see it as a comfort issue but for some that rebound actually affects performance if your driving hard on a bumpy track. they could feel the same if its on a smooth track, but the differences will show on a harsh and bumpy course. the differences will be quite apparrent then.
i’m also not totally satisfied with stance after driving on them a bit, i wish i could self adjust the rebound on my coils to my preference, but obviously that will cost some big bucks. but for the money i paid for these stance, i’m very satisfied.
ps: bing, were you able to order those stance spanners? i need 2 sets please. get at me on MSN. thanks
Well I had the megans myself and I was not extremely happy with what I believe is the rebound “setting”. Stance I don’t have any street driving (only riding) experience in order to make any judgement.
I should clarify that anything I said in my post above was based solely on a (generally) smooth track surface and NOT related to street at all.
I’m the first to admit that I don’t know anything about rebound settings and I’ve been meaning to ask Sasha a few questions about it when I get a chance but keep forgetting whenever I’m at his shop, or he’s generally busy.
Given that, I don’t really want to comment because I don’t really know much about rebound.
Once I talk to someone who can answer my questions as well as get some seat time on the street with Stance and Megan I can comment further 
Also,
Very nicely said 
a bouncy ride could very well be a pre-load adjustment issue on the coilovers.
i recall very specifically the drive down to Carlisle last year i was getting a fair bit of slop and bump-steer. I literally scissor-jacked my car in the parking lot of the hotel after midnight and added a fair amount of pre-load on the spring.
The ride home was like a slide through gravy-town but much much faster.
hence the install issue i already mentioned.
Coilovers are not a bolt in item. you have to set them up.
It’s like hooking up your boost controller, not setting it up and then complaining that you are’nt hitting max boost.
or hooking up your AEM without doing any tuning and then complaining that it didnt add horsepower.
or in this case, not that it didnt add HP, but that it didnt FEEL like it added any HP from the ride you took in a friends car.
we’re basically talking about nothing and wasting alot of time doing it.
Worse still is that people are going to enter this thread offering up more bullshit and its just going to confuse everyone even more.
Well put again Bing.
I agree that we are going around in circles but I think that even though we are all basically agreeing with each other, it’s good to clear up the murky opinions for those who might read this in the future and be confused.
Throwing pre-load in to the mix is another step that makes this more complicated yet again but you do have a point because pre-load can help get rid of hopping also as far as I know.
I just ant to add that my experience with coilovers is almost inexistant so whatever I say is from a few summers of city and highway driving and what I read in Super Street.
The last few posts have been awesome. We should see more of that. I agree too. It has to do with the install and I think a lot of us don’t know that much about coilovers. For newbs like us, you wouldn’t be able to tell the difference if you were to ride in a car with Stance, Megans, Tein, or whatever coilovers.
It’s all in the head.
im not an expert either, far from it, i just hate to see us go in circles. All the products have their place. Time will tell what offers better value and value is not the same for everyone.
bingx0r you should start advertising the gr basic’s for sale… personally those would be more appealing than any of their other offerings to a lot of people. same features as the gr+ but they have a smaller piston and bushing instead of pillow ball. other than that they are near identical.
i think they are taking pre-orders for them already
They are called GR Sport now. I guess they figured Basic is to cheap sounding of a name. And they don’t have inverted dampers do they?
i already have pricing on them, i just havent got around to listing it up yet.
the inverted damper, aside from differing specs, is a pretty big deal. I have bent at least 4 dampers on the D2’s and Sasha bent several of his as well. We’re on a macpherson strut suspenion and the piston in the damper has to be able to withstand some bending force.
An inverted damper is literally several times thicker in diameter than the non-inverted piston. From someone who has bent that shit in the past, i am quite happy to pay a couple extra bucks just to avoid that happening.
shit, i bent both of my front tie rods last year only driving for 4 weeks in total and i didnt hit anything. It was just from hard braking and hard street.
You think YOU drive hard… you shoulda seen the look on mine and chris’s face when we saw that shit.
Since then i upgraded to Tein inners which are 100% the same as S14 spec but with the spacer added. I beleive the thickness of the inner tie rod goes from about an M12 to M14 or so.
Same concept as with inverted dampers… thicker tie rod = more resistance to bending that shit. I wont be home this evening but i should snap some pics of the Stance damper compared to the D2 dampers i have sitting around.
if you havent bent tie rods and dampers you probably suck.
or your running good coilovers like apexi,tein etc and the dampers dont come sized from the factory
lol bend tie rods and dampers from hitting curbs and going fast thru speedbumps