all good advice…and i totally forgot the treo on the list i just made def good phones just some what thick. For the treo just like the motorola Q versions and the xv6700 i need to know if ima be charged per txt…basically proving wtf i heard from people in the verizon store was true or false saying that all they wanted was for me to buy a phone from them which if i would do so id NEED to get a dataplan. Anyways i wrote an email to Verizon to be sure. So im waiting for a reply right now.