So Ford won.

My girlfriend had a 2001 for zx2 in college. Don’t even get me started on that thing. Sad Sad day when a car as new as a 2001 is only worth 1200 a few years later.

However, I don’t have any personal stories, because I don’t feel like I should have subject myself to shitty product, just to be able to say that I had one and it sucked.

Ford has a lot of dissatisfied customers, that is for sure.

Oh shut the fuck up.

Hey man, I am just trying to make the point that, yeah, they survived but by the skin of their teeth and by decent business decisions. They didn’t survive by having the best product, that is for sure.

Thanks for contributing to the thread!

Silly me thought this might be an interesting discussion of things like how when Ford first started building the Model T they revolutionized manufacturing with the assembly line and reduced the time to build them from (and my memory is slipping a bit as it’s been 7 years since I wrote a paper on this) 12 hours in 1907 to one rolling off the line every 17 seconds in 1929. Those numbers are close but approximate as I don’t remember exactly.

what the fuck forum did you think you were on?

everything turns into hate city here. see: http://nyspeed.com/forums/showthread.php?t=69117

True. I need to go elsewhere for a decent conversation about cars.

I guess its just a fluke then that the F-150 was the highest selling vehicle in the US for the 27th year in a row.

it’s the sad truth

or, you could just try talking about BMWs or one of newman’s cars. Basically, that is the only way.

not a fluke at all.

The F-150 makes a lot of sense because it is cheap. The equivalent import model is significantly more expensive. Small business owners that need these trucks as fleet cars for construction, landscape, gov’t, etc…, need a cheap pick-up. Cheap to own, and cheap to fix. They don’t care about options, comfort, interior fit and finish. They care that it can haul some shit and not hurt the wallet.

I give up :banghead:

You shouldn’t have started… the American auto industry is where it is today for a reason.

So in other words, it’s the Camry of trucks. Cheap to own, and cheap to fix cause it doesn’t break that much. The owners are all women and don’t care about performance, styling, fun to drive factor, etc. They care that it can haul them and the kids around and not hurt the wallet. Another appliance.

:spank::zong:

Ford is the only domestic automaker I’d consider buying a car from.

Or he could just ban you from any thread about domestics so the rest of us could get back to the decent discussion that was going on.

can we then ban the GTR haters from GTR threads?

Honestly looking at a lot of new cars out there, domestic cars in general have a ways to go still. Granted it’s all subjective opinions when it comes to things like these, and this isn’t the thread for it.

Ford is hardly out of the fire yet, but they are getting there.

Why, because he disagrees??? Im confused as to where the decent discussion ever was past post 1?

I would think that there are domestic 4-door sedans that are CHEAPER than a camry, that could fit the bill just the same.

I mean cheaper to maintain. They want something they can put gas in and change the oil once a year and that’s it.

Whoa. I didn’t know we were getting the Fiesta:

http://www.fordvehicles.com/2011fiesta/index.asp

looks fabulous…