I think the whole payment per km/h is a good idea. I hope NOBODY on SON gets caught cause that can add up REAL fast!!.. and WHOMP WHOMP if this is a lie!!
i can understand how its uncontitutional, however if this law changes for the better, I cna guarantee the streets will be much more dangerous…people are going to take advantage of it (IF IT CHANGES FOR THE BETTER)
I honestly believe that this whole speeding/street racing this is highly overrated in around here. Sure people have been caught and a few people have died, but if you look under the circumstances that were in place, it was enevitable. Most people that race on the public roads are idiots. However, like a lot of things, theres a time and a place to do it.
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if you go to “bumfunk village boonieville” at 2:00am in the morning on a monday…on a road/ industrial area with no pedestrains, you can have a lot of fun. I lot of people on this forum im POSITIVE have done some stupid shit on the roads/ other areas and know EXACTLY what im talking about. You’re on highway 400 past BARRIE at 2:00AM with no other cars on the road, I see it being okay to go to 150km/h, but thats only because you are only putting yourself in danger. Same thing if you are past WHITBY or something, on some road where you can see ahead for miles. If you are by yourself, or with another person, giving some gas i see being okay, as long as you can be responsible with the conequences that can occur and have enough driving experience to do so (something I dont think a lot of drivers think about nor understand. eg, driving their mom’s BMW to 240km/h after having their license for only 6 months, never been to a track with the car and coming back from colossus just finished watching FNF4, thinking their vin diesel decide to go fast with no experience whatsoever)
If you reach a light on younge street and drop the clutch drag style, there are sidewalks with pedestrians, there are buldings, poles, eletrical circuits all over… all-in-all the chances of you causing damage to yourself, your car, as well as others are much more likely.
There was a documentary i once watched when I was younger about street racing in ontario. one dude “the king” with a white eg civic, and another dude with a black FC3S rx7. I always remember the methods they used to carry out street racing sessions. They were VERY ORGANIZED, using talkie talkies, have watchers at the end of every road to look out for pedestrians/other cars, they basically did it INITIAL D/ FAST AND FURIOUS STYLE. not having a big crowd with them. and they did it out of the lack of a good race track in the area, with all of this not having one single fatality caused by their “organization”.
Honestly, i can preach for an hour and some of you might get it, some of you might not. BOTTOM line, the new street racing law is unfair for all car owners, especially the ones with mods, due to the level of harassment, the unreasonable fines, and the stereotypes affiliated with sports car owners. I used to like driving over 30 past midnight on the highway at certain times…NOW? Even though most if not all the other drivers are actually going over the limit i feel like I have to quickly patrol the area just to try and keep up with traffic. I do think that having it in effect has deterred a lot of us from speeding EXCESSIVELY. People who normally go over the limit in school areas have stopped (some of them anyways), and people who have raced in many rural and city areas have decreased/stopped their recless driving. In the end, even though it has limited our freedom in a lot of ways, it has been proven to be effective…i just hope that this appeal will give us some more leniancy in some areas and will at least give some sports car owners a chance to enjoy our cars, while keeping the buttheads in check.
That is all.
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short form: there is a difference between speeding and racing. There is a time and place to do things and in the end, make sure its your ass only, that is put in danger…racing or speeding EXCESSIVELY
that guy (the king aka untouchable) is still around! They only watch… we talk and we see how wreckless this new breed of racers are! When we did it we made sure everything was clear, road was clean and if cars in the area all racing stops. we never had ANY issues until the new breed came out and not able to control their stupid fast cars with daddys money. Street Racing like we knew 5-7 years ago is dead! these new kids dont care!!
Ryan, I respectfully disagree with one point of your post, I don’t see this making the streets more dangerous, I actually think it will make them safer. With this type of sentencing, where you’re charged based on how much you went over, and your car is not taken away at the side of the road, we’re going back to sanity.
When people know they’re looking at a roadside seizure, it is VERY, and I mean VERY tempting to run from the cops. Not sure what the numbers are for fast cars, but I saw a poll on GTAMotorcycle on stopping for cops, and I think like 80% said they run or something like that. This way, people know that they’re just getting a ticket, and that they’re only making things worse on themselves by running. They have more to lose in my eyes.
Cops just need to fuck off and start solving real crimes. Nevermind people speeding, honestly moving violations should be handled by some type of new meter-maid type civil servant not police officers. How many fucking murders, robberys, home invasions, hard drug sales go unsolved? For fuck sakes they DECRIMINALIZED an illegal narcotic (marijuana) but fuck, speed and they take your freedom. It fucking pisses me off that the government is all GUN-HO about fucking vehicle moving violations but do NOTHING to decrease serious crime.and I know its because the government is a business and there’s no money in solving real crime, it actually cost money. I find myself often embarassed of our ass-backward legal system and the fact WE ALL actually PAY the police to harass us.
because moving violations generate MONEY! lots of it… a murderer caught does not generate money…
we cant let this goverment take away our rights for their personal funding! every little new bullshit law passed is a piece of freedom we lose!
no they didn’t
but the rest of your argument (re: where the money is in policing) is valid
http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/04/30/fast-and-furious/
6 Paragraphs down… the date is April 30th 2009 … here is the link from your your stole that from -
i do not believe that this will solve anything… the law wont be changing for a while…
Yeah…I did look at it that way also. I agree with you in terms of the payment method BEING MORE EFFECTIVE, but the fact that your car cant be taken away I think will be enough to let some of the freaks/idiot racers out. I still think that people will take advantage of this new “freedom” if the ruling goes through in our favour. I know about the bikers 1st hand… a buddy of mine around my area has done it twice, lucky as hell of course but still… a bike vs a car always wins in straight line acceleration, one of the best chances IMO to have in a possible chase. Honestly if i was on a bike, I would ponder that choice as well cause really and truly, if youre sitting on a R1 going 140km and you see a cop…250km will be really easy to get to and dissapear from cops sight.
All-in-all, while most of us have enough sense (I hope) to realize how much better this will be for the better, there will always be those few that fuck things up for the rest of us…
of course thats where i got it from. does it look like i wrote that out myself?
regardless, according to my source that is one of the arguments being used against this law and i used that article to better explain that aspect as i couldnt fully explain it myself.
i dont understand what you are saying…
you are saying that the current law (roadside seizure) makes the roads safer? or that the thing mentioned with the $9.72 per km makes it safer because people wont run it its just a ticket?
I do beleive that the current law makes the highways less safe because it makes 100% rational sense to try and run. Especially when you have a car 2-3 times faster than police cars, which most of ours are. I don’t care if they are driving the new challengers or whatever, those things are boats.
Then when you consider that the police are ‘on the take’ where the tow trucks and the impound lots are paying them points off the tow and impound bills. there is already one police officer up on charges for this…
Also, you never hear about guys getting away on the news… but trust me, more than half of the people who run get away. The chasing officer calls ahead and gives a half hearted chase but they are not going to take a crown vic up to 220kph to get you… they’ll rely on cameras and other officers to intercept… so get the off the highway asap when out of sight and you’ve got a shot i guess
to restate, it makes GOOD sense to run if you have the slightest opportunity to because you’ll be facing road-side seizure, $2k - $10k fine, loss of license, $500 - $1000 in towing and impoound fees from chaser lots (rogue towing operations that are rampant in the GTA… these guys are hungry because the insurance companies are trying to fight them with by laws… this 50+ law is a way for them to maintain revenue streams)
Even before that though, the flaw i see in this law is that the punishment doesnt matter. No amount of punishment can stop speeding.
They have the death penalty in much of the US but people still kill each other by the thousands there even though they know that if they get caught they’re going to be KILLED!!!
You know why? because they do not consider the consequences when they commit the act.
Speeding is not a rataional decision. Seconds before you begin breaking the speed limit by 50kph you don’t contemplate the cost/benefit of the decision. You never average out the cumulative sum of all the minutes saved by arriving early times income (if applicable) and subtract that from the costs of getting caught tiimes the percentage liklihood of getting caught.
you speed because at that very moment you feel like speeding.
If they gave us the death penalty for 50kph over that wouldnt stop speeding… because we do not consider getting caught when we do it.
That is why speding has’nt declined with this law. And it never will.
The stuff that whomever started this thread is talking about… $9.72 per km, court summons etc. is the way it used to be handled which is essentially the same in every way other than you didnt get your car seized on the side of the road.
The whole thing was just a flamboyant effort to further Michael Bryant’s career… Thank god for drunk cyclists.
Yes it was, not for the reason of sales tax and making money, but i think you were able to carry up to 28 grams on your person I THINK,
then it was made illegal again due to pressure from the american government.
I think it was in 2003?
The latter, for the same reasons you listed in the rest of your post. If your car will get seized, you might as well run = more dangerous roads. If all you’re getting is a ticket, you’re more likely to pull over.
I’ve never heard on any newslines people getting caught after trying to run.
But that also doesn’t mean it hasn’t happened, but if you think about it, they would have put these in the headlines to try and deter people from running.
I honestly think 90-95% of the people will just pull over and give up.
ive talked to an actual uniform cop at my last job, we were both sneakin in a smoke behind a school, yes a school because neither of our jobs allow us to smoke in the “public eye”. we started shooting the shit about laws, whats real, whats not and i will never forget what he said…
on the topic of legal age (sexual)… “your father can leave your mother and start fucking a 14 year old girl and theres nothing anybody can do about it”
on the topic of how you hear about murderers only doing like 5 yrs in jail… “in Canada you will NEVER serve more than 1/3 of your sentence unless its a crime of special interest such as a serial killer, serial rapist, hate crimes, contract killing, 1st degree (planned). and since 2nd degree murder in canada is a 10-15 year sentace you often see guys getting out even sooner than 5 years because everyday you sit in jail waiting for trial counts as 2 days served towards your sentancing”.
on the topic of marijuana i asked “so what is it legal now or somethin”?.. he said “ahhhh weird topic, its not “legal” but your not really doing time unless your growing it or bringing it into the country. if i pull you over and u got a bag(1oz) of dope on you im going to take it from you and give you a ticket. if i find a garbage bag full, and a scale, and alot of cash, your getting arrested. oh and driving stoned counts as driving drunk now”… and he laughed.
ya ya, i dont have a link or proof but thats what was told to me, and i’ll never forget it. you guys can debate all you want about decriminalization
maybe true for car, but def not for bikes. police dont even try to chase bikes because its to dangerous and there is no point because they are simply to fast and can maneuver through traffic better. i work with a lot of people who ride bikes and ride bikes fast they all just run from the cops because they know that they can get away
ummm bikes and running, go hand in hand. There is a silent “no chase” policy in effect for bikes.
Hypothetcially speaking, the only time that I maybe stopped for a maybe cop was when he had me dead to rights in a wheelie. Apparently, he had tailed me for a good km on the QEW. I had no clue as its a little hard to see behind me on one wheel. When I brought the wheel back down was when I saw him. 
My friend’s who were filming at the yime were laughing their asses off. Good times.
it’s pointless to stop on a bike if you have a fighting chance…either way, you’re losing your bike and license…may as well take advantage of the hp tp weight ratio and the no chase policy. They will call the chase off once you hit it…and the first thing they will say if you stop on a bike is, “thank you for stopping”
None of these things happened, it’s all hypothetical. I obey all laws and law enforcement officials.
In this hypothetical world of mine. They managed to block my brother in with two unmarked black squad cars with their lights off. Now that’s fucking dangerous. Just pulled right in front of him in a vee shape and parked it. Who would be liable if his reactions werent quite quick enough?
haha bikes play with cops. one time i was stopped at a red light. and a biker, oposite direction, was twirling his hand in the air like a cop siren wen flying thru the red light. then 30 seconds later i see 2 cop cars passing thru the same red light having fun speeding.