:tup: The Supreme Court gets another one right.
http://www.cnn.com/2007/LAW/04/30/scotus.chase/index.html
8-1, so even both sides (conservatives/liberals) were on the right side this time. Except John Paul Stevens of course. :cjerk:
They cant ram you if they cant catch you lol
The kid got what he deserved
[quote=“Bigairskier1580,post:3,topic:28532"”]
How is that even a case?
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Because the majority of American’s (particulary poor blacks and middle class white teenagers) feel they don’t have to be responsible for the consequences of their actions.
john paul stevens "The justice said it was not clear the chase threatened the lives of other citizens since the roads were mostly empty. "
sooo because the roads were empty, that made it ok for him to exceed 100mph and try to escape the police…
IMO it sucks he is paralyzed now, but he should have thought about the consequences to his actions… and no i dont feel bad at all for him
[quote=“Supraman,post:5,topic:28532"”]
john paul stevens "The justice said it was not clear the chase threatened the lives of other citizens since the roads were mostly empty. "
sooo because the roads were empty, that made it ok for him to exceed 100mph and try to escape the police…
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It made it not ok to continue pushing this person beyong his driving ability.
I’ll probably get some heat for this, but I’m on the fence with passing a law on this.
Here’s my thought.
If chases, such as the one decribed, include putting civillians at risk of bodily harm due to thier actions, the person should not be allowed to sue.
However, should the person run, where it is not evident of that driver running for no other reason than to get away, with no indication of him or her causing bodily harm, then the pursuit should cease. Should the pursuit continue beyond reason and a crash should occur, I feel the person has become a victim due to unreasonable force.
Take it as you will, but a person running because he or she is nervous or scared should not be pushed beyond the limits of his or her driving ability, as that increases chance of bodily harm to them, the officer, and innocent civilians.
There was a local case where a biker was speeding, a cop chased after turning around from the opposite diriection, tried to catch up to the bike,the cop crashed/died and now the biker who did not even know he was being chased was charged with murder and will not see the light of day for years.
[quote=“Schema,post:6,topic:28532"”]
It made it not ok to continue pushing this person beyong his driving ability.
I’ll probably get some heat for this, but I’m on the fence with passing a law on this.
Here’s my thought.
If chases, such as the one decribed, include putting civillians at risk of bodily harm due to thier actions, the person should not be allowed to sue.
However, should the person run, where it is not evident of that driver running for no other reason than to get away, with no indication of him or her causing bodily harm, then the pursuit should cease. Should the pursuit continue beyond reason and a crash should occur, I feel the person has become a victim due to unreasonable force.
Take it as you will, but a person running because he or she is nervous or scared should not be pushed beyond the limits of his or her driving ability, and that increases chance of bodily harm to them, the officer, and innocent civilians.
There was a local case where a biker was speeding, a cop chased after turning around from the opposite diriection, tried to catch up to the bike,the cop crashed/died and now the biker who did not even know he was being chased was charged with murder and will not see the light of day for years.
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1st part - Whose to say this person isn’t fleeing because they just murdered someone and is a dangerous threat to society if allowed to escape? Innocent people don’t just lead police on high speed chases. This guy had already rammed into a police car, he would have no problem slamming his car into another motorist.
Part 2 - Biker caused the death of someone through his actions. If your actions cause the death of someone, even if you didn’t DIRECTLY kill them, you’re screwed.
[quote=“Bigairskier1580,post:7,topic:28532"”]
1st part - Whose to say this person isn’t fleeing because they just murdered someone and is a dangerous threat to society if allowed to escape? Innocent people don’t just lead police on high speed chases. This guy had already rammed into a police car, he would have no problem slamming his car into another motorist.
Part 2 - Biker caused the death of someone through his actions. If your actions cause the death of someone, even if you didn’t DIRECTLY kill them, you’re screwed.
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Not intentionally killing someone, would be Manslaughter. If this biker had someone besides a state issued defender…he’d probably be okay.
In response to Schema…
:bloated: x’s 183187237373777322.29283
How are police officer’s supposed to determine whether or not someone is driving beyond their limitations? So basically the only people who can lead police on a high speed chase is Jeff Gordon, Earnhart Jr, Danica Patrick etc etc.???
“Chief, they seem scared and I’m pretty sure she might be crying. Let’s call off the chase”
In response to Schema…
Are you saying that being scared or nervous gives you the right to run from the police and lead them on a high speed chase? And then, when you do, the police should realize that chasing you is pushing you beyond your driving ability so they should let you go? That makes perfect sense…:bloated:
[quote=“Schema,post:6,topic:28532"”]
I’ll probably get some heat for this
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My vote for understatement of the year.
The kid was already speeding with a suspended license before the police even got involved. He was a risk to the public right there, and only became more of a risk when he ran.
I can see suing the police if they decided to try the pit manuever with a bunch of oncoming traffic, and some innocent person was hurt or killed, but the only person who got hurt was the criminal, and he was the one putting everyone else at risk. I don’t care how “scared” you claim to be later, you knew running from the police was risky.
Personally I think police should be much more aggressive in their pursuit tactics. Their current policies seem to be to follow until a crash, and that crash usually involves some innocent person. As soon as there is an opportunity to take a fleeing vehicle off the road without risk to other drivers, the fleeing vehicle should be taken out with little to no regard to the safety of the criminal.
[quote=“02CelicaGt,post:4,topic:28532"”]
Because the majority of American’s (particulary poor blacks and middle class white teenagers) feel they don’t have to be responsible for the consequences of their actions.
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Oh really? And I assume you have some sort of credible facts for this statement?
[quote=“Bigairskier1580,post:7,topic:28532"”]
Part 2 - Biker caused the death of someone through his actions. If your actions cause the death of someone, even if you didn’t DIRECTLY kill them, you’re screwed.
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Biker caused this how? If the cop followed his training, he wouldn’t have died
and would still have caught the guy if he had any competance whatsoever.
I just find it fascinating that one minute, video isn’t allowed as evidence in court, but now all of a sudden it is :bloated:
I have no problem with the ruling, but I can see how that’s going to get abused very easily.
[quote=“Bigairskier1580,post:7,topic:28532"”]
1st part - Whose to say this person isn’t fleeing because they just murdered someone and is a dangerous threat to society if allowed to escape? Innocent people don’t just lead police on high speed chases. This guy had already rammed into a police car, he would have no problem slamming his car into another motorist.
Part 2 - Biker caused the death of someone through his actions. If your actions cause the death of someone, even if you didn’t DIRECTLY kill them, you’re screwed.
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Part 1 - I said in the first sentence that I agree with the verdict of this kid, not with the blanked law they’re passing
Part 2 - The trooper who chased the biker in a SUV tearing around a corner at high speeds when the biker was well out of site pushed his vehicle and driving abilities beyond his limit.The fact is he is now dead because of HIS actions. He wasn’t pushed off the road or slammed in to. Tell me, if you were a trooper chasing a biker because he was simply going fast, would you risk going above and beyond just to tell the person he was going 80 is a 55? No
[quote=“02CelicaGt,post:9,topic:28532"”]
In response to Schema…
How are police officer’s supposed to determine whether or not someone is driving beyond their limitations?
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Observation.
[quote=“92slowcivic,post:10,topic:28532"”]
In response to Schema…
Are you saying that being scared or nervous gives you the right to run from the police and lead them on a high speed chase? And then, when you do, the police should realize that chasing you is pushing you beyond your driving ability so they should let you go? That makes perfect sense…:bloated:
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I’m not going to respond to your first sentence, because it’s so far off base it’s not worth explaining. If I wanted to say it was ok to run if people are nervous/scared, I would have said so. I stated the simple fact of that’s what people do, regardless of reason. This doesn’t make running ok in any situation. Please to manipulate and rearrange anything I say to mean something entirely different. The second part, is when police determine you are causing no harm to any person or persons other than you and the pursuing officer when it becomes evident the chasee is going beyond their limits, then officers should make that decision.
[quote=“JayS,post:11,topic:28532"”]
My vote for understatement of the year.
The kid was already speeding with a suspended license before the police even got involved. He was a risk to the public right there, and only became more of a risk when he ran.
I can see suing the police if they decided to try the pit manuever with a bunch of oncoming traffic, and some innocent person was hurt or killed, but the only person who got hurt was the criminal, and he was the one putting everyone else at risk. I don’t care how “scared” you claim to be later, you knew running from the police was risky.
Personally I think police should be much more aggressive in their pursuit tactics. Their current policies seem to be to follow until a crash, and that crash usually involves some innocent person. As soon as there is an opportunity to take a fleeing vehicle off the road without risk to other drivers, the fleeing vehicle should be taken out with little to no regard to the safety of the criminal.
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Again, my argument has NOTHING to do with this kid, other than the Supreme Court passing a blanked law against it. I agree in your last statement, but what if the pursuit WASNT able to take the person out when they had the chance, then chased them into heavy traffic/pedestrian area and remained hard on their tail. This is where officers should make that decision.
[quote=“Rx3,post:12,topic:28532"”]
Oh really? And I assume you have some sort of credible facts for this statement?
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How many times have you read/seen/heard of people on this site (which is primarily made up of middle class white teenagers) complaining about the police pulling them over “for no good reason” except their tints, exhaust, and lack of a front plate?
Not to mention in the news when a black criminal is killed by a law enforcement officer, or white person… the families argue that their son was a good kid, or it was racism? I’m not racially motivated by saying that… its just been an observation of mine.
[quote=“02CelicaGt,post:14,topic:28532"”]
How many times have you read/seen/heard of people on this site (which is primarily made up of middle class white teenagers) complaining about the police pulling them over “for no good reason” except their tints, exhaust, and lack of a front plate?.
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Majority of the people here are idiots. I’m pretty sure our meager membership doesn’t add up to being the “majority” in America.
[quote=“02CelicaGt,post:14,topic:28532"”]
Not to mention in the news when a black criminal is killed by a law enforcement officer, or white person… the families argue that their son was a good kid, or it was racism? I’m not racially motivated by saying that… its just been an observation of mine.
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So what about the news when the rich white people do the same thing? Are they all of a sudden “the majority” because they are plastered all over every news feed? How can you paint any one group when EVERYBODY does it (to an extent). You really think because you see it on the news, it must be majority? You know how many poor black people or middle class white people DON’T ever make the news for doing what they are supposed to do?
He was driving on a suspended License. Doesn’t matter if there was traffic or not. He was a threat to anyone who was close to this situation. I dont feel bad for him at all. Sucks for him because he has his entire life to think about this from a wheel chair.
Why dont you take your hand off your dick and download a torrent that already has a crack or is permanently activated.
[quote=“Marcus,post:16,topic:28532"”]
He was driving on a suspended License. Doesn’t matter if there was traffic or not. He was a threat to anyone who was close to this situation. I dont feel bad for him at all. Sucks for him because he has his entire life to think about this from a wheel chair.
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sucide
[quote=“Marcus,post:16,topic:28532"”]
He was driving on a suspended License. Doesn’t matter if there was traffic or not. He was a threat to anyone who was close to this situation. I dont feel bad for him at all. Sucks for him because he has his entire life to think about this from a wheel chair.
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[quote=“Schema,post:6,topic:28532"”]
There was a local case where a biker was speeding, a cop chased after turning around from the opposite diriection, tried to catch up to the bike,the cop crashed/died and now the biker who did not even know he was being chased was charged with murder and will not see the light of day for years.
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Please post a link to a news article, court case, or some document proving this is true or I call :bsflag: