the 65 mpg ford america cant have.... for shame

cross posted from another forum… get angry plz

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and it looks decent…

http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/08_37/b4099060491065.htm?chan=rss_topStories_ssi_5

The 65 mpg Ford the U.S. Can’t Have

Ford’s Fiesta ECOnetic gets an astonishing 65 mpg, but the carmaker can’t afford to sell it in the U.S.

by David Kiley
If ever there was a car made for the times, this would seem to be it: a sporty subcompact that seats five, offers a navigation system, and gets a whopping 65 miles to the gallon. Oh yes, and the car is made by Ford Motor (F), known widely for lumbering gas hogs.
Ford’s 2009 Fiesta ECOnetic goes on sale in November. But here’s the catch: Despite the car’s potential to transform Ford’s image and help it compete with Toyota Motor (TM) and Honda Motor (HMC) in its home market, the company will sell the little fuel sipper only in Europe. “We know it’s an awesome vehicle,” says Ford America President Mark Fields. “But there are business reasons why we can’t sell it in the U.S.” The main one: The Fiesta ECOnetic runs on diesel.
Automakers such as Volkswagen (VLKAY) and Mercedes-Benz (DAI) have predicted for years that a technology called “clean diesel” would overcome many Americans’ antipathy to a fuel still often thought of as the smelly stuff that powers tractor trailers. Diesel vehicles now hitting the market with pollution-fighting technology are as clean or cleaner than gasoline and at least 30% more fuel-efficient.
Yet while half of all cars sold in Europe last year ran on diesel, the U.S. market remains relatively unfriendly to the fuel. Taxes aimed at commercial trucks mean diesel costs anywhere from 40 cents to $1 more per gallon than gasoline. Add to this the success of the Toyota Prius, and you can see why only 3% of cars in the U.S. use diesel. “Americans see hybrids as the darling,” says Global Insight auto analyst Philip Gott, “and diesel as old-tech.”
None of this is stopping European and Japanese automakers, which are betting they can jump-start the U.S. market with new diesel models. Mercedes-Benz by next year will have three cars it markets as “BlueTec.” Even Nissan (NSANY) and Honda, which long opposed building diesel cars in Europe, plan to introduce them in the U.S. in 2010. But Ford, whose Fiesta ECOnetic compares favorably with European diesels, can’t make a business case for bringing the car to the U.S.
TOO PRICEY TO IMPORT

First of all, the engines are built in Britain, so labor costs are high. Plus the pound remains stronger than the greenback. At prevailing exchange rates, the Fiesta ECOnetic would sell for about $25,700 in the U.S. By contrast, the Prius typically goes for about $24,000. A $1,300 tax deduction available to buyers of new diesel cars could bring the price of the Fiesta to around $24,400. But Ford doesn’t believe it could charge enough to make money on an imported ECOnetic.
Ford plans to make a gas-powered version of the Fiesta in Mexico for the U.S. So why not manufacture diesel engines there, too? Building a plant would cost at least $350 million at a time when Ford has been burning through more than $1 billion a month in cash reserves. Besides, the automaker would have to produce at least 350,000 engines a year to make such a venture profitable. “We just don’t think North and South America would buy that many diesel cars,” says Fields.
The question, of course, is whether the U.S. ever will embrace diesel fuel and allow automakers to achieve sufficient scale to make money on such vehicles. California certified VW and Mercedes diesel cars earlier this year, after a four-year ban. James N. Hall, of auto researcher 293 Analysts, says that bellwether state and the Northeast remain “hostile to diesel.” But the risk to Ford is that the fuel takes off, and the carmaker finds itself playing catch-up—despite having a serious diesel contender in its arsenal.
Kiley is a senior correspondent in BusinessWeek’s Detroit bureau.

Brasil is full of little badass Ford’s. I’d actually rock a few of them… They’re defintely not Ford’s as we know them here.

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Lame that the US is so anti-diesel.
I’d rock that Ford

wow. thats actually a nice design considering the market its geared to (read: green). the prius/insight/ect look terrible (imho). Too bad they cant/wont bring it here

i actually like that little car. Looks like it was styled after the Ford KA. Still though thats bullshit. The Us needs to get its head out of its ass, and be more diesel friendly. Oh wai, but than wed have to drop fuel tax on that. God forbid.

hatches and wagons are hideous, all of them. but 65 mpg…damn, i cant see how they wouldnt profit on that here, even if it is ugly as sin. interior looks decent though.

:wave: its got a honda :tup:

i have been trying to buy a honda diesel motor for my car

No big conspiracy, just simple economics. They know not enough people would pay almost 25k for it here. They’re going to build one for the US in Mexico to keep the cost of the US version down but to put a diesel engine in they’d need to spend 350 million on the plant.

The good news is the dollar is making gains on the vast majority of international currencies almost every day so before long Ford might be able to import it.

id rock that easily.

nice design and excellent function. I would rock it over a hybrid anyday.

wow, I can’t believe I am about to say this…but I am impressed :tup:

All of you that are impressed and saying you’d drive it… Would you throw down almost 25k for it?

When a loaded prius is 23k yes i would in the effort to increase mileage that much and have a decent looking car at the same time with some actual useable torque.

I really like that…

Ford is fuckin up though.

wake up Ford. :picard:

I would like to see Ford put it on sale here, even if it is a limited run. I bet they would sell like mmadddd crazy.

I have had this discussion many times. There are no American cars that I would conider purchasing. It isn’t about build quality really either. I can get better performance/styling/etc out of foreign cars. There just isn’t anything to draw me to American companies. Kinda of sad really.

Ugh. A decent looking economy car that might consider buying as a DD that wont sell in the US by a US auto maker.

+karma america!

sweet lookin little car, t-up

sweet lookin little car, t-up

lol, lets engineer more efficient vehicles and then not sell them in the US. Instead we sell hybrid SUVs that get 20mpg

no. you have a valid point. the gas milage is great, but the funtionality is so limited. the prius at least offers 4 doors. 25k limits alot. if they has a plant here to produce it rather than import supplies the cost might be more reasonable, but 25k, plus any markups relative to demand (the prius sells or has sold for more than produced) it would def be cost prohibitive…