The Facebook IPO

To feel lectured would imply you are teaching me something :slight_smile: siqqqq burn. You know my credintials. No part of me questions my ideals over what a guy on the internet says(no offense).

Few quick points
•Our Debt to GDP is a little over 100% not 200%
•Obama has huge cuts in military spending in place that close bases, lowers troops, and slows future spending
•Programs that are not profitable will always be a part of govt. Seek to make them efficient and question what the NEED from them is. This will largely reflect in party agenda. While its effect is on GDP it is all on borrowed money right now as well all know so it is hardly skewing the ratio. We are certainly in need of cutting many programs right now.
•Economic cycles have happened since beginning of civilization, so has shifting in power, we will not sustainably be #1 forever. Just like any business how you position yourself among the field during the bad times will dictate where you are when market turns healthy once again
•Bottom line is that this mess was caused by poor spending on the govt but more importantly the PEOPLE were the ones making the deals they couldn’t live up to. That is a huge fundamental that needs correcting

Your great depression housing point only backs what I am saying.
Times get bad, people adjust, fundamentals correct, times get better. 30 years after the depression interest rates were in the teens and home values were soaring.

Back to PMs so these tech nerds can hump FB :slight_smile:

I think if they wanted to, they could EASILY start charging business FB pgs to grab some extra revenue.

The general population will be free to use, and they will use that as an advantage to charge business pages for the advertising and traffic that is integrated with FB.

I’m sure businesses would pay the premium for an “upgraded” business FB pg, esp if their customer base has free access and constantly uses FB.

I can learn from you and your book/school knowledge, you can learn from me and my off the grid mindset. America’s true reality rests somewhere in the middle of our mindsets. No need to be 1 upping someone with similar interests. :wink:

Back to PM’s it is. Carry on FB humpers. LOL

No PM’s! This is interesting stuff here…and while not exactly about FB, it is still relative to the discussion.

I’m fine with chatting here. I know why Cougar doesn’t like to chat off PM about this stuff, but I think it’s easy enough to just ignore the people trying to lure you into their level of retardation. I think we can all learn from each other and it’s good to get other people’s input personally. I’m always up for a debate, discussion or answering questions about trading etc… :slight_smile:

Meh it isn’t that on topic. Market and economy are two totally different animals as far as I am concerned.

FB could do it now, one thing is for sure though, going public would invite lots of outside influence and an obligation to do what’s best for the shareholders. Controlling shareholders may demand this.

and there you go paper work filed

I feel shareholders have no real say, they only think or pretend to. A good company doesn’t care about share price, they focus on their goals and targets, knowing the share price should follow. Like others have suggested…it’s quite possibly a cash grab. We’ll see what they do with the money raised and what new stuff comes from the IPO. I mainly chimed in to say stock trading isn’t for getting rich quick and IPO hype can get you hurt quickly. Volatility is probably going to be pretty high and that shit will fray your nerves if you’ve not conditioned yourself to dull the sensation. Also I think I said it before…you must FULLY embrace the risk if you invest/trade. Whatever money you use is RISK CAPITAL and you must accept that it can be gone in the blink of an eye or blip of the screen…stock is perceived value only!

This is fun! As menitoned, good luck getting any IPO and especially Facebook. Not knowing anyone here I still say its safe to assume that nobody here has any chance at all at getting into the facebook IPO. It seems like TradersBase might but like I said 99% chance nobody has any chance what so ever.

The second point is very much along the Asset category like Trader mentioned. They have little liabilities and don’t exactly have a constant need for R & D as others do it for them via programs (ex. Zynga). On the other hand assets would be very low and I would love to see exactly how much cash they hold in the account.

I’ve been tempted to short Facebook in all honesty once it goes public and finishes soaring like a rocket up. I’ll hold my cash and just have fun to see where this goes value wise.

Newman, I would not pay to use facebook - anyone else feel the same?

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What do you think they need this capital for? They have conquered a global market without the help of the funds yet they need it now. They clearly don’t need this money, unless I am missing something, so what could be the reason. Could Facebook transform into something else as a company or…? I have not been following every move so forgive me if its obvious and out there already,

shareholders will have no say or will not exercise whatever rights their shares award them while the company is growing. they will only apply heavy influence (in public) when the company is either not growing or not making effective use of assets (see: RIM stock price, Apple not using its hoard of cash effectively).

that’s a good point questioning why the need for the IPO. I am sure they could get the same price per share that they will IPO at through private markets and wouldnt have to take the underwriting hit. Mind you there was a lot of discussion last week that the usually 5-7% underwriting rate will be as low as 1% for the prestige of being associated with the biggest IPO in a long time and something with as much brand cache as facebook.

many businesses would certainly pay to us FB. I would consider doing it if they added advanced features for the FB groups or pages… Heck, if they added a level of depth that allowed me to have a web-store with good analytics i would take my current site down and redirect the domain to FB. It’s great for small internet businesses because the personal-connection of FB provides a greater sense of familiarization and accountability than a brick and mortar store… at least on a dollars per basis.

FB has only scratched the monetization surface… there are endless ways to gain revenue… but it will take hoards more programmers and project managers. the latter being the more difficult to find, goood ones anyways. maybe that is what the money is for?

Mark Zuckerberg is going to use the money to build a moon base.

Mark Zuckerberg is now worth $16B - $24B on paper

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Zuck’s letter to investors:

Facebook was not originally created to be a company. It was built to accomplish a social mission - to make the world more open and connected.

We think it’s important that everyone who invests in Facebook understands what this mission means to us, how we make decisions and why we do the things we do. I will try to outline our approach in this letter.

At Facebook, we’re inspired by technologies that have revolutionized how people spread and consume information. We often talk about inventions like the printing press and the television - by simply making communication more efficient, they led to a complete transformation of many important parts of society. They gave more people a voice. They encouraged progress. They changed the way society was organized. They brought us closer together.

Today, our society has reached another tipping point. We live at a moment when the majority of people in the world have access to the internet or mobile phones - the raw tools necessary to start sharing what they’re thinking, feeling and doing with whomever they want. Facebook aspires to build the services that give people the power to share and help them once again transform many of our core institutions and industries.

There is a huge need and a huge opportunity to get everyone in the world connected, to give everyone a voice and to help transform society for the future. The scale of the technology and infrastructure that must be built is unprecedented, and we believe this is the most important problem we can focus on.

We hope to strengthen how people relate to each other.

Even if our mission sounds big, it starts small - with the relationship between two people.

Personal relationships are the fundamental unit of our society. Relationships are how we discover new ideas, understand our world and ultimately derive long-term happiness.

At Facebook, we build tools to help people connect with the people they want and share what they want, and by doing this we are extending people’s capacity to build and maintain relationships.

People sharing more - even if just with their close friends or families - creates a more open culture and leads to a better understanding of the lives and perspectives of others. We believe that this creates a greater number of stronger relationships between people, and that it helps people get exposed to a greater number of diverse perspectives.

By helping people form these connections, we hope to rewire the way people spread and consume information. We think the world’s information infrastructure should resemble the social graph - a network built from the bottom up or peer-to-peer, rather than the monolithic, top-down structure that has existed to date. We also believe that giving people control over what they share is a fundamental principle of this rewiring.

We have already helped more than 800 million people map out more than 100 billion connections so far, and our goal is to help this rewiring accelerate.

We hope to improve how people connect to businesses and the economy.

We think a more open and connected world will help create a stronger economy with more authentic businesses that build better products and services.

As people share more, they have access to more opinions from the people they trust about the products and services they use. This makes it easier to discover the best products and improve the quality and efficiency of their lives.

One result of making it easier to find better products is that businesses will be rewarded for building better products - ones that are personalized and designed around people. We have found that products that are “social by design” tend to be more engaging than their traditional counterparts, and we look forward to seeing more of the world’s products move in this direction.

Our developer platform has already enabled hundreds of thousands of businesses to build higher-quality and more social products. We have seen disruptive new approaches in industries like games, music and news, and we expect to see similar disruption in more industries by new approaches that are social by design.

In addition to building better products, a more open world will also encourage businesses to engage with their customers directly and authentically. More than four million businesses have Pages on Facebook that they use to have a dialogue with their customers. We expect this trend to grow as well.

We hope to change how people relate to their governments and social institutions.

We believe building tools to help people share can bring a more honest and transparent dialogue around government that could lead to more direct empowerment of people, more accountability for officials and better solutions to some of the biggest problems of our time.

By giving people the power to share, we are starting to see people make their voices heard on a different scale from what has historically been possible. These voices will increase in number and volume. They cannot be ignored. Over time, we expect governments will become more responsive to issues and concerns raised directly by all their people rather than through intermediaries controlled by a select few.

Through this process, we believe that leaders will emerge across all countries who are pro-internet and fight for the rights of their people, including the right to share what they want and the right to access all information that people want to share with them.

Finally, as more of the economy moves towards higher-quality products that are personalized, we also expect to see the emergence of new services that are social by design to address the large worldwide problems we face in job creation, education and health care. We look forward to doing what we can to help this progress.

Our Mission and Our Business

As I said above, Facebook was not originally founded to be a company. We’ve always cared primarily about our social mission, the services we’re building and the people who use them. This is a different approach for a public company to take, so I want to explain why I think it works.

I started off by writing the first version of Facebook myself because it was something I wanted to exist. Since then, most of the ideas and code that have gone into Facebook have come from the great people we’ve attracted to our team.

Most great people care primarily about building and being a part of great things, but they also want to make money. Through the process of building a team - and also building a developer community, advertising market and investor base - I’ve developed a deep appreciation for how building a strong company with a strong economic engine and strong growth can be the best way to align many people to solve important problems.

Simply put: we don’t build services to make money; we make money to build better services.

And we think this is a good way to build something. These days I think more and more people want to use services from companies that believe in something beyond simply maximizing profits.

By focusing on our mission and building great services, we believe we will create the most value for our shareholders and partners over the long term - and this in turn will enable us to keep attracting the best people and building more great services. We don’t wake up in the morning with the primary goal of making money, but we understand that the best way to achieve our mission is to build a strong and valuable company.

This is how we think about our IPO as well. We’re going public for our employees and our investors. We made a commitment to them when we gave them equity that we’d work hard to make it worth a lot and make it liquid, and this IPO is fulfilling our commitment. As we become a public company, we’re making a similar commitment to our new investors and we will work just as hard to fulfill it.

The Hacker Way

As part of building a strong company, we work hard at making Facebook the best place for great people to have a big impact on the world and learn from other great people. We have cultivated a unique culture and management approach that we call the Hacker Way.

The word “hacker” has an unfairly negative connotation from being portrayed in the media as people who break into computers. In reality, hacking just means building something quickly or testing the boundaries of what can be done. Like most things, it can be used for good or bad, but the vast majority of hackers I’ve met tend to be idealistic people who want to have a positive impact on the world.

The Hacker Way is an approach to building that involves continuous improvement and iteration. Hackers believe that something can always be better, and that nothing is ever complete. They just have to go fix it - often in the face of people who say it’s impossible or are content with the status quo.

Hackers try to build the best services over the long term by quickly releasing and learning from smaller iterations rather than trying to get everything right all at once. To support this, we have built a testing framework that at any given time can try out thousands of versions of Facebook. We have the words “Done is better than perfect” painted on our walls to remind ourselves to always keep shipping.

Hacking is also an inherently hands-on and active discipline. Instead of debating for days whether a new idea is possible or what the best way to build something is, hackers would rather just prototype something and see what works. There’s a hacker mantra that you’ll hear a lot around Facebook offices: “Code wins arguments.”

Hacker culture is also extremely open and meritocratic. Hackers believe that the best idea and implementation should always win - not the person who is best at lobbying for an idea or the person who manages the most people.

To encourage this approach, every few months we have a hackathon, where everyone builds prototypes for new ideas they have. At the end, the whole team gets together and looks at everything that has been built. Many of our most successful products came out of hackathons, including Timeline, chat, video, our mobile development framework and some of our most important infrastructure like the HipHop compiler.

To make sure all our engineers share this approach, we require all new engineers - even managers whose primary job will not be to write code - to go through a program called Bootcamp where they learn our codebase, our tools and our approach. There are a lot of folks in the industry who manage engineers and don’t want to code themselves, but the type of hands-on people we’re looking for are willing and able to go through Bootcamp.

The examples above all relate to engineering, but we have distilled these principles into five core values for how we run Facebook:

Focus on Impact

If we want to have the biggest impact, the best way to do this is to make sure we always focus on solving the most important problems. It sounds simple, but we think most companies do this poorly and waste a lot of time. We expect everyone at Facebook to be good at finding the biggest problems to work on.

Move Fast

Moving fast enables us to build more things and learn faster. However, as most companies grow, they slow down too much because they’re more afraid of making mistakes than they are of losing opportunities by moving too slowly. We have a saying: “Move fast and break things.” The idea is that if you never break anything, you’re probably not moving fast enough.

Be Bold

Building great things means taking risks. This can be scary and prevents most companies from doing the bold things they should. However, in a world that’s changing so quickly, you’re guaranteed to fail if you don’t take any risks. We have another saying: “The riskiest thing is to take no risks.” We encourage everyone to make bold decisions, even if that means being wrong some of the time.

Be Open

We believe that a more open world is a better world because people with more information can make better decisions and have a greater impact. That goes for running our company as well. We work hard to make sure everyone at Facebook has access to as much information as possible about every part of the company so they can make the best decisions and have the greatest impact.

Build Social Value

Once again, Facebook exists to make the world more open and connected, and not just to build a company. We expect everyone at Facebook to focus every day on how to build real value for the world in everything they do.

Thanks for taking the time to read this letter. We believe that we have an opportunity to have an important impact on the world and build a lasting company in the process. I look forward to building something great together.

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Interesting facts from the IPO:

Here are some of the most interesting bits of information in Facebook’s IPO filing:

•Zynga accounted for approximately 12% of Facebook revenue
•Net income rose 65 percent to $1 billion in 2011, off revenue of $3.71 billion
•Sheryl Sandberg’s 2011 Facebook compensation: $30.9 million
•Facebook CFO David Ebersman’s 2011 total compensation was $18.65 million
•Advertising accounted for 85% of Facebook revenue in 2011
•Mark Zuckerberg’s compensation in 2011 was $1.49 million
•845 million active users on Facebook
•Total capitalization as of Dec 31, 2011: $4,899 million
•Full time employees increased from 2,127 as of December 31, 2010 to 3,200 as of December 31, 2011
•Mark Zuckerberg holds stock with total voting power before IPO of 56.9%
•Facebook major ownership: Mark Zuckerberg : 28%, Accel (invested in 2005) :11.4% Co-founder Dustin Moskovitz 7.6% DST: 5.4% Peter Thiel: 2.5%
•Mark’s letter in the middle of the IPO filing
•Mark Zuckerberg’s annual salary will fall to one dollar starting 1/1/2013
•Facebook had 483 million daily active users on average in December 2011, an increase of 48% as compared to 327 million in December 2010
•425 million monthly active users of Facebook’s mobile products in December 2011
•An average of 2.7 billion likes and comments per day were generated by users during the three months ending December 31, 2011
•Facebook cites Google+, Cyworld in Korea, Mixi in Japan, Orkut in Brazil and India, vKontakte in Russia as competitors
•Also cited by Facebook as competitors: Renren, Sina, and Tencent if they “are able to access the market in China in the future”
Peter Lauria points out that 85% of revenue dependent on advertising makes it more reliant than CBS, the most ad-dependent old-media firm.

Another interesting section addresses risks:

Any number of factors could potentially negatively affect user retention, growth, and engagement, including if:

•users increasingly engage with competing products;
•we fail to introduce new and improved products or if we introduce new products or services that are not favorably received;
•we are unable to successfully balance our efforts to provide a compelling user experience with the decisions we make with respect to the frequency, prominence, and size of ads and other commercial content that we display;
•we are unable to continue to develop products for mobile devices that users find engaging, that work with a variety of mobile operating systems and networks, and that achieve a high level of market acceptance;
•there are changes in user sentiment about the quality or usefulness of our products or concerns related to privacy and sharing, safety, security, or other factors;
•we are unable to manage and prioritize information to ensure users are presented with content that is interesting, useful, and relevant to them;
•there are adverse changes in our products that are mandated by legislation, regulatory authorities, or litigation, including settlements or consent decrees;
•technical or other problems prevent us from delivering our products in a rapid and reliable manner or otherwise affect the user experience;
•we adopt policies or procedures related to areas such as sharing or user data that are perceived negatively by our users or the general public;
•we fail to provide adequate customer service to users, developers, or advertisers;
•we, our Platform developers, or other companies in our industry are the subject of adverse media reports or other negative publicity; or our current or future products, such as the Facebook Platform, reduce user activity on Facebook by making it easier for our users to interact and share on third-party websites.

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if you’re mega-bored here is the link for the full IPO filing: LINK

WRONG, you’re thinking of Newt Gingrich. LMFAO!

Google was once just a browser. Their IPO did fairly well for their development :wink: and FB could do the same if that’s their intention and they manage that $5 billion properly.

Bump?

Down 43%
2nd worst performing IPO this year so far.

Talk of ad clicks being upwards of 80% bot-generated.

LOLz

Not saying long term it’s a horrible stock but surely what we saw was a cash grab off that initial IPO runup. I tried to warn friends but of course sheep gon be sheep. They lost half their investment thusfar…looking like better prices forthcoming still. The broad market is on the cusp of another wave down it seems, investors are in choppy water here looking for the coast guard or The Bernank chopper.

Agreed. Still think with the amount of cash available Facebook could still have long term growth but I am not in shock of the now deflated value at all.

This WSJ blog was enough to convince me that it wasn’t a good idea.

The smart money is flying out of Facebook as the dumb money piles in.

http://blogs.wsj.com/overheard/2012/05/16/goldman-other-investors-pile-out-of-facebook/

I actually caught FB twice to make some money and backed off. Mobile users do not click ads and they are trying anything they can to build profits with it. Hell, even Zynga crashed hard after realizing they are not making money as much as they thought. Even Google’s ad revenue is dropping from previous years.

It’s viable but to what level of profitability? Ad revenue can’t be all you bank on or your biz model (or lack thereof) is flawed…IMO anyhow.
Still FB is sitting on a mountain of cash and it’ll be interesting to see what they do with the funds.