I like this thread, there are some good posts and recommendations. I didn’t expect this, I expected more sheep to attack Ahmed. My faith in SON has slightly been restored.
+1 to everyone suggesting critical thinking as a daily part of life.
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Even if obama is the greatest man in the world, the fact is, he doesn’t call the shots. Think of the leaders of government as “puppets on a string”
Not trying to cause shit, its just the way it is.
Watch the new movie “Zeitgiest - addendum”
It breaks down how the Central banking system and politics are played in society.
LOL Junior, where did that come from?
The biggest problem is now convincing people who have been baited into believing Obama is the president ‘they chose’ and all the change we believe rhetoric ‘because the last guy screwed up’. It’s not one man or the other man, it’s the system. Even more hilarious (brain training) how the ‘whole world’ cares about the US president. Small things like this people don’t notice.
Also convincing black people Obama is a hoax is the hardest part since so many are emotional and uneducated on these issues (like majority of people regardless of race), BUT made more exploited by hijacking US historical issues in order to fool several millions of people of the population. Any skin colored person including my family, even my wife, until i opened their eyes and of course now they see it themselves… because they pay attention to things that happen and don’t just go with the flow. And believe me it’s hard at first.
He is the puppet at the top not because he was ‘elected’ but because of the groups of people, lobbies, organizations and associations he is a part of. He is just an actor. He wouldn’t be in the ‘race’ (lmao), if he weren’t FIT for these people who ACTUALLY run the country and it’s affairs. He was a perfect breed, perfect fit from the get go. He has as much to do with being black as Eminem. lol
It really has pissed me off though… dealing in the last two years with people watching the whole ‘race’… whether it was the STUPENDOUSLY FAKE back and forth attacks between him and Clinton or when he was elected and people were crying and wailing like fools… seriously…
And now the most hilarious part is how people are starting to say “give him time”, “he is young”, “bush has messed up so much it’s gona be hard”, etc… slap yourself and get a sense of reality… you are falling for it…
While this whole ‘race’ was going on, I used to explain to people how this is just a game… but people were like “well you need to believe in something man!” and I used to tell them… it’s like picking between being shot face first or in the back… same shit… or picking between poo or pee… after much debate people were down to the excuse of “well you have to pick the lesser of two evils” and I’m like but no… it’s the same thing… makes no difference.
Human voice has been reduced to a response to multi-millions of dollars being spent to entertain you and then have you sign a ballot you will never ever see again and never know into who’s hands it’ll travel through to have a feeling of “i made a difference” LOL
i fully agree obama has high hopes for the states he can only do so much and i think i would be happy if %20 of the stuff that comes out of his mouth happens but he isn`t always the one that makes the final dessicion
The Obama situation with African-Americans/Canadians being so proud of this so called achievement…its like trying to convince a Jewish person that the holocaust was not what you’ve been taught in school, or convincing a religious person that their holy book is astronomical symbolism, a very touchy subject.
If you’re persistant at trying to give them information, its SO easy to offend them and get attacked in return, or to be labeled an anti-Semite, racist etc…Be careful what you say guys (esp. you Ahmed), just state the facts, don’t bring emotion into this (I’m not saying you have, its just a warning in advance, they WILL ban you), it interferes with rationality.
I apologize in advance if my post offended any of you, but I am the last person to be racist, being a victim to it on several occasions.
Hmmm this belongs in ‘car chat’ why? Lets see a good car build thread!
I’ve watched the movie… I’ve listened to ton of ppl go back and forth about this all day… My question is what do you think would be different if Mccain was in office? the president the police the army all of them are considered PUBLIC SERVANTS. their jobs are to honour our (the public’s) wishes. of course they are all puppets.
Rogerthat240: your wife lives in a house with you and married you. her creditability was shot from the get go…lol… just kidding man but if my gf was on my ass about something i’d roll over just so she’d shut up too…
Junior… take a time out and go sit in your corner… I’ll deal wit you later…LOL…
It wouldn’t BE different. The goals would be the same. The means may be slightly acted differently. For example bush sr, he successfully achieved his purpose, he turned out ‘bad guy’ then clinton came, he was this great peace loving guy, but in reality he ran so many black ops that the first iraq war becomes tangible in comparison… then bush jr came… great charismatic leader, open spoken, then he starts a buncha wars, pisses alot of ppl off apparently, then he’s bad guy here comes obama, the hope of change and bliss from the heavens and he’s black great change… how long is the pattern gonna go on for. Every last president is the bad guy… and people keep falling for it. So it’s a loop.
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That is probably the best thing you’ve said all month. lol
Free thought and everything is great - but taking that free thought and criticizing other peoples free thought for being against or objective to your original free thought is just as bad as believing the obviously government influenced media called news.
Religion is a horrible subject to debate. Zeitgeist is a great documentary - for those who do not believe in religion (a higher power? sure, but religion? nah) - but religion is such a biased, violent area to walk through. TTC recently ran an atheist campaign - although quite bold - that ran into (as I predicted) religious groups saying “you can’t do that”. If they can’t, religious groups can? It’s a belief just like any other.
I’m sure it’s hard to see it, but my point is - belief makes people bullheaded. The same people in this conversation who are saying that you shouldn’t believe that Obama is this that and the other thing are doing exactly what they’re preaching against: Belief. They are believing this anti-Obama thing (that I haven’t even decided to watch) is 100% true (yes, I over-exaggerated but you get my point) and that people who believe otherwise are sheep.
So are you. I haven’t watched TV or anything for more than 10 minutes for about a year now. I turn on the TV and it’s all this propaganda that I don’t need to be high as fuck to trip out to to realize its ONLY influenced by the government. Mind you, I don’t believe the entire world is caught in a conspiracy and the government is a complete sham - it really isn’t. A fair share of it is, but it’s not a complete clusterfuck of bullshit.
People like to believe they’re “open-minded”, even myself. But what is open minded? Believing something most people don’t, but then preaching to those “don’ters” that their belief in the contrary is stupid and fake? (Therefore defeating open-mindedness) or actually leaving yourself open to different options and other people’s opinions?
I just went on like 100 different topics there, I’m sorry, and I’ll wait for people to automatically take what I said as a negative attack on people - it’s not. Take what I said as a grain of salt. This is the first intelligent debate I’ve seen on SON in the year and a bit that I’ve been here. But it’s STILL heavily ignorant (in the literal use of the word, not the typical insulting way).
Sorry for the rant =)
When you do some research its hard not to be condescending to others who haven’t bothered to do so, yet are the first ones to attack anyone (speaking in general…no names). Its human nature to try to make yourself feel better than others, no doubt, and it interferes with the general attitude towards spreading information for the greater good, rather than trying to take credit for knowing more than others.
What really pisses me off, is the fact that all conspiracy theorists label everyone that disagrees them is labeled as a brainwashed slave of the media. Who says I agree with the media? That’s like saying that I have to either believe in Jesus or the Flying Spaghetti Monster. Nothing else.
Do I feel that most things fed to us by the media are BS? Yes. Do I think the US staged 911? FUCK NO. This isn’t a James Bond movie, the gov’t is not out killing it’s own people for it’s own greedy evil agenda. Grow the fuck up. God damn, every time I see this shit I get pissed off. I agree with some things from Zeitgeist, but I think the rest is RETARDED. The bit on Christianity is obviously wrong, and easily disproven by anyone with any shred of knowledge. 911 I’m not touching with a ten foot clown pole. The only thing that holds water, is their theory on the bankers.
See, the difference between someone that is brainwashed by the media, someone that blindly believes insane conspiracy theories, and someone that actually thinks with their own head, is that they’re able to analyze data from different sources, accept and reject different bits from everywhere and come up with an educated opinion.
I didn’t see the video, b/c I can’t watch videos at work, but I’ll tell you a few things about Obama.
I LIKE Obama. You know why? Because he’s a symbol. In shit times like these, people NEED a symbol. He represents a lot of good things, things the world needs. He speaks for tolerance, peace, financial responsibility, and most importantly hope. If his policies don’t, it doesn’t even matter. The main thing influencing society is media/marketing, and Obama’s media/marketing is sending out a positive message. Everything else we’ve been getting till now is a NEGATIVE message.
We’ve been taught to spend like crazy to keep up with the Joneses, all to line some rich fuck’s pockets. Everything we do has become commercialized, from the day we’re born, to the day we die. There’s people making a cut out of every action we take.
This whole economic collapse, was due to that same greed. Kids growing up with no ambition or respect is due to that same greed. Because their parents are too busy keeping up with the Joneses to actually raise them.
The only problem I have with Obama, is that he’s gonna raise the natn’l debt, which puts more money in the banker’s pockets. But I don’t think there’s much of a choice, we gotta pull out of this shit somehow.
EDIT: JPod ftw! You beat me to it 
Solarion: Glad you’re back…LOL
Jpod: very valid point…
I’m off to do my work… later…
^Well said, having a strong opinion from your own take on things is exactly what I mean by critical thinking and being open minded. I never force my views on others, although at times I can be a condescending conspiracy theorist. But then again, I disagree with a lot of conspiracies simply because a lot of them are based on a weak foundation. I’m not going to get into specifics because this is a car forum.
“Car-chat” is the now officially the “off topic” section for broke ass non-members. lol
jpod89: if we use that logic then you are left as just a skeptic who doubts everything. Much like people who don’t believe in anything. So if there are really two sides of the fence, you end up stating both are wrong but in turn what you do you create your own fence. It’s then a never ending cycle so who’s right? Ultimately there is a right and wrong, saying otherwise becomes delusional. It has nothing to do with people being condescending or otherwise as Ahmad said.
Solarian: You have alot of preconceived notions and doubts at the same time. Likewise I agree and disagree with you on certain things you’ve said… however what is it with being so blind folded to believe the official story about 911? “THERES NO WAY MAN”
For your information there are plenty of cases in history where the US has killed it’s own civillians or subjected them to absolute conclusive harm directly and indirectly.
Putting the US aside, the British have done it many times as well throughout history. False flag operations… as well as ignoring foreknowledge of issues in order to propel preconceived agendas. Most famous example being the attack on pearl harbour.
And for your information the US government already HAD a plan to take planes and crash them into buildings and blame it on cuba to start a war with cuba.
What is your point Ahmad? what are you trying to say?